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Xi Jinping's Great Leap Backward

15 points by woodandsteel 8y ago

woodandsteel 8y ago
I assume we will be getting some what-abouters. So let me ask them what is their own political philosophy, like do they think Xi is great, or do they support liberal democracy but are angry at how the US fails to hold up its ideals, or what? Also, I assume we will be getting some people who will say the article is a pack of lies, so let me ask them to give us what they think is the truth on the matters the article covers, like the history of China, or how Xi has changed things from the system that Deng installed.
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't take HN threads into political and national flamewar. I'm sure you didn't mean to, but that's where a comment like this one leads, which is a reason for several of the site guidelines, including this one: "Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." Could you please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and be more careful about using this site as intended?
  - fwefoijweo 8y ago
    If that's considered starting a flamewar, then this site is too sensitive to hold political conversations in the first place.
- trentlott 8y ago
  I think your fear shouldn't be of push back about the conclusion but wholesale ignorance of the topic.
beisner 8y ago
Any given political systems works well in some cases, and poorly in others. American representative democracy works when the country is relatively unified on issues, but falls apart when the population is polarized (hence the lack of meaningful legislation since the Clean Air Act under Nixon). Authoritarianism works well when the ruling cohort is benevolent and technocratic, but falls apart when corruption, incompetence, or political instability take hold (various Chinese and Russian leaders fit the bill here). All this is to say, things are complicated. The standard of living for hundreds of millions of people in China has increased unimaginably since Deng’s time: the middle class is still exploding, infrastructure is immaculate, pollution is improving, and global opportunities for middle class Chinese are opening dramatically. But at the same time, Xi’s tightening of power, the burgeoning surveillance state, the brutality being perpetrated in Xinjiang and Tibet, and the ongoing censorship are extremely troubling. Maybe things will change, and the population will grow extremely discontent. Maybe quality of life will continue to increase rapidly, China will become the dominant global superpower, and people will laud Xi as a visionary for decades to come. It’s just tough to say.

15 points by woodandsteel 8y ago

I assume we will be getting some what-abouters. So let me ask them what is their own political philosophy, like do they think Xi is great, or do they support liberal democracy but are angry at how the US fails to hold up its ideals, or what? Also, I assume we will be getting some people who will say the article is a pack of lies, so let me ask them to give us what they think is the truth on the matters the article covers, like the history of China, or how Xi has changed things from the system that Deng installed.

dang 8y ago
Please don't take HN threads into political and national flamewar. I'm sure you didn't mean to, but that's where a comment like this one leads, which is a reason for several of the site guidelines, including this one: "Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." Could you please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and be more careful about using this site as intended?
- fwefoijweo 8y ago
  If that's considered starting a flamewar, then this site is too sensitive to hold political conversations in the first place.
trentlott 8y ago
I think your fear shouldn't be of push back about the conclusion but wholesale ignorance of the topic.

beisner 8y ago

Any given political systems works well in some cases, and poorly in others. American representative democracy works when the country is relatively unified on issues, but falls apart when the population is polarized (hence the lack of meaningful legislation since the Clean Air Act under Nixon). Authoritarianism works well when the ruling cohort is benevolent and technocratic, but falls apart when corruption, incompetence, or political instability take hold (various Chinese and Russian leaders fit the bill here). All this is to say, things are complicated. The standard of living for hundreds of millions of people in China has increased unimaginably since Deng’s time: the middle class is still exploding, infrastructure is immaculate, pollution is improving, and global opportunities for middle class Chinese are opening dramatically. But at the same time, Xi’s tightening of power, the burgeoning surveillance state, the brutality being perpetrated in Xinjiang and Tibet, and the ongoing censorship are extremely troubling. Maybe things will change, and the population will grow extremely discontent. Maybe quality of life will continue to increase rapidly, China will become the dominant global superpower, and people will laud Xi as a visionary for decades to come. It’s just tough to say.