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This is the most difficult part IMHO. > Adhere to Goals They talk about it like it's easy af. This is the hardest thing. Motivation is the hardest part. I f

This is the most difficult part IMHO. > Adhere to Goals They talk about it like it's easy af. This is the hardest thing. Motivation is the hardest part. I for one use operant conditioning and waterboard myself when I don't adhere to my goals. Just kidding. But I guess I would be much more motivated. Or develop a fetish for waterboarding, the human mind is complex.

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forapurpose 8y ago
I realize you're joking, but from what I understand is that you would be motivated to avoid waterboarding, not to learn math, and your retention and knowledge would suffer (beyond doing exactly what is necessary to avoid punishment). When people abuse kids [EDIT: as punishment/motivation], what they learn is how to avoid the abuse, by hook or crook.
- mockingbirdy 8y ago
  I don't really know how intrinsic motivation could be controlled in the same fashion. A motivated and euphoric teacher maybe can achieve the same in the other direction, but I guess there will always be a certain kind of predisposition and "talent" to be motivated for a specific field. Would love to know how I can design those predispositions to change my own behavior. I guess behavioral therapy could work, but that's hellofa lot effort to learn some math.
  - sudouser 8y ago
    ‘thinking fast and slow ‘ talks about this
    - mockingbirdy 8y ago
      Yes, I've read this book and liked it, although it has a big mistake: Many cited studies can't be replicated. Kahneman even apologized because of that [1]. It's a bummer, but I still believe in many of the listed cognitive biases. [1]: https://retractionwatch.com/2017/02/20/placed-much-faith-underpowered-studies-nobel-prize-winner-admits-mistakes/ https://retractionwatch.com/2017/02/20/placed-much-faith-und...
  - drjesusphd 8y ago
    I would imagine having the tools to shape your own behavior would pay divedends well beyond "learning some math".

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forapurpose 8y ago

I realize you're joking, but from what I understand is that you would be motivated to avoid waterboarding, not to learn math, and your retention and knowledge would suffer (beyond doing exactly what is necessary to avoid punishment). When people abuse kids [EDIT: as punishment/motivation], what they learn is how to avoid the abuse, by hook or crook.

mockingbirdy 8y ago
I don't really know how intrinsic motivation could be controlled in the same fashion. A motivated and euphoric teacher maybe can achieve the same in the other direction, but I guess there will always be a certain kind of predisposition and "talent" to be motivated for a specific field. Would love to know how I can design those predispositions to change my own behavior. I guess behavioral therapy could work, but that's hellofa lot effort to learn some math.
- sudouser 8y ago
  ‘thinking fast and slow ‘ talks about this
  - mockingbirdy 8y ago
    Yes, I've read this book and liked it, although it has a big mistake: Many cited studies can't be replicated. Kahneman even apologized because of that [1]. It's a bummer, but I still believe in many of the listed cognitive biases. [1]: https://retractionwatch.com/2017/02/20/placed-much-faith-underpowered-studies-nobel-prize-winner-admits-mistakes/ https://retractionwatch.com/2017/02/20/placed-much-faith-und...
- drjesusphd 8y ago
  I would imagine having the tools to shape your own behavior would pay divedends well beyond "learning some math".