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>China has realized that given their population, climate change will disproportionately affect them. Not entirely sure about this, time and time again there se

by bArray 8y ago

>China has realized that given their population, climate change will disproportionately affect them. Not entirely sure about this, time and time again there seems to be a disconnect between what China says and what China does. >So the government has good reason to actually enforce environmental laws; they’re just too big to do it effectively. When they want to, they are capable of blocking the entire internet, monitoring all residents, manipulating global raw materials. Why else run a dictatorship?

vkou 8y ago
From speaking with people who have lived in China, the environment is a huge concern for the people living there. Unlike in the US, there is a very clear expectation that it's the government is both capable of, and is responsible for dealing with it. Chinese people aren't some mindless propagandized drones. They have the same capacity of looking out the window as you or I.
- bArray 8y ago
  You misunderstand me. I'm not calling them idiots, the average person is probably fully aware that all of this environmental damage turned the sky yellow and made it hotter. The people making the foam 100% know it's illegal (as they demonstrated) and why it's illegal - yet they still do it. The money is more important to them than the ethics. Besides, if the Chinese government and the Chinese people didn't think differently, all of this censoring and covering up wouldn't be needed.
  - vkou 8y ago
    > The money is more important to them than the ethics. This is a problem in every country. There's nothing unique about China in that respect. Unethical people will tend behave unethically when money is on the line. Maybe the cover-ups are done in order to save face, or because some particular agent in the department responsible is getting kickbacks. The CCP as a whole does benefits from the first, not the second.
jopsen 8y ago
> When they want to, they are capable of blocking the entire internet, monitoring all residents, manipulating global raw materials. Why else run a dictatorship? Efforts to enforce regulations on CFC gasses need to work all the time. Efforts to censor the internet only needs to work most the of the time. The tolerance for failure is different.

by bArray 8y ago

vkou 8y ago

From speaking with people who have lived in China, the environment is a huge concern for the people living there. Unlike in the US, there is a very clear expectation that it's the government is both capable of, and is responsible for dealing with it. Chinese people aren't some mindless propagandized drones. They have the same capacity of looking out the window as you or I.

bArray 8y ago
You misunderstand me. I'm not calling them idiots, the average person is probably fully aware that all of this environmental damage turned the sky yellow and made it hotter. The people making the foam 100% know it's illegal (as they demonstrated) and why it's illegal - yet they still do it. The money is more important to them than the ethics. Besides, if the Chinese government and the Chinese people didn't think differently, all of this censoring and covering up wouldn't be needed.
- vkou 8y ago
  > The money is more important to them than the ethics. This is a problem in every country. There's nothing unique about China in that respect. Unethical people will tend behave unethically when money is on the line. Maybe the cover-ups are done in order to save face, or because some particular agent in the department responsible is getting kickbacks. The CCP as a whole does benefits from the first, not the second.

jopsen 8y ago

> When they want to, they are capable of blocking the entire internet, monitoring all residents, manipulating global raw materials. Why else run a dictatorship? Efforts to enforce regulations on CFC gasses need to work all the time. Efforts to censor the internet only needs to work most the of the time. The tolerance for failure is different.