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The VW stuff wasn't simply about fuel efficiency it was about emissions output. I think this was the video where a guy basically reverse engineered the system.
by acranox 8y ago
The VW stuff wasn't simply about fuel efficiency it was about emissions output. I think this was the video where a guy basically reverse engineered the system. (Starts around 40m in) https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7331-the_exhaust_emissions_scandal_dieselgate#video https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7331-the_exhaust_emissions_scand...
I'd encourage you to watch that, and still see if you say that it wasn't fraud.
VM gamed the test in order to produce results that were not achievable by consumers, with the intent to deceive people.
- hervature 8y agoI will watch that video later and get back to you. I understand what they did. I'm not saying that what they did was right, simply that it wasn't fraud. My point being that if the test is already deceptive for true vehicle emissions (laboratory settings, very particular configurations, etc.) then the test itself is the problem. If we flip the script and say that a car fails the emissions testing but is in reality the cleanest car, is it not "fraudulent" to label this car as dirty?
- acranox 8y agoIntent matters. Your example of flipping the script would only be comparable if the manufacturer engineered the car to fail the test. VW built their car to produce a specific test result to get buyers to buy the car. It fits the description at the link below all too perfectly. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Fraud https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Fraud