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I don't have any evidence on hand, but I distinctly remember most of the auto makers complaining every step of the way about most emissions regulations. Grante

I don't have any evidence on hand, but I distinctly remember most of the auto makers complaining every step of the way about most emissions regulations. Granted, it tends to get a "boy who cried wolf" feel to it as they've always done it, but they absolutely raised a stink about the constantly rising regulations.

freehunter 8y ago
Like you said, everyone is going to cry when their burden is increased in any way, even if it's a completely reasonable increase. Companies complain if their employees request cost of living raises, and people complain when prices rise due to rising cost of living. At some point, it drowns out any legitimate complaints. If you've been saying the regulations are too high yet have been meeting it every time, then a new regulation comes out that is actually too high and you can't meet it, people will take you less seriously. If you then pretend to meet those requirements even though they were too high, you get zero points.
wahern 8y ago
“It’s sort of a case where the dog actually caught the bus,” Gillis told me. “Now what’s it going to do?” (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/how-the-carmakers-trumped-themselves/562400/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/how-the-...) Referring to American car manufacturers' anti-CAFE wishlist being adopted by Scott Pruitt's EPA. The wishlist was submitted as a sort of bargaining piece, the idea being that industry demand something extreme expecting the incoming administration to meet them halfway. Except Pruitt just accepted it without reservation[1], and the industry was caught flat-footed. So now they're actually _repudiating_ some of their arguments. The dirty little secret of the car industry is that efficiency and safety regulations help drive the upgrade cycle. When every car from this year has feature X, then all used cars instantly become out-dated and even unsafe in the minds of consumers. And the timelines set out by the regulators help to coordinate competition in a way that would be illegal otherwise. For example, if a new efficiency or safety standard is still 5 years out, then everybody knows to a high degree of certainty how each competitor will time and stage their rollout (not too early, not too late). The benefits may not exceed the overall costs of the regulation, but the industry is built around the system and pulling the rug out creates chaos. [1] I guess this was a case of the Trump administration taking industry's rhetoric literally and not seriously.

freehunter 8y ago

Like you said, everyone is going to cry when their burden is increased in any way, even if it's a completely reasonable increase. Companies complain if their employees request cost of living raises, and people complain when prices rise due to rising cost of living. At some point, it drowns out any legitimate complaints. If you've been saying the regulations are too high yet have been meeting it every time, then a new regulation comes out that is actually too high and you can't meet it, people will take you less seriously. If you then pretend to meet those requirements even though they were too high, you get zero points.

wahern 8y ago

“It’s sort of a case where the dog actually caught the bus,” Gillis told me. “Now what’s it going to do?” (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/how-the-carmakers-trumped-themselves/562400/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/how-the-...) Referring to American car manufacturers' anti-CAFE wishlist being adopted by Scott Pruitt's EPA. The wishlist was submitted as a sort of bargaining piece, the idea being that industry demand something extreme expecting the incoming administration to meet them halfway. Except Pruitt just accepted it without reservation[1], and the industry was caught flat-footed. So now they're actually _repudiating_ some of their arguments. The dirty little secret of the car industry is that efficiency and safety regulations help drive the upgrade cycle. When every car from this year has feature X, then all used cars instantly become out-dated and even unsafe in the minds of consumers. And the timelines set out by the regulators help to coordinate competition in a way that would be illegal otherwise. For example, if a new efficiency or safety standard is still 5 years out, then everybody knows to a high degree of certainty how each competitor will time and stage their rollout (not too early, not too late). The benefits may not exceed the overall costs of the regulation, but the industry is built around the system and pulling the rug out creates chaos. [1] I guess this was a case of the Trump administration taking industry's rhetoric literally and not seriously.