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Sadly Docker is replacing Docker Swarm by Kubernetes

sandGorgon 8y ago
i think they are being very opaque about their plans and this is hurting their credibility. They built the ability the launch k8s clusters through the docker tool. There are almost no tweets or posts about Swarm instead, their blog is full of kubernetes posts (https://blog.docker.com/ https://blog.docker.com/). Even their coolhacks section is about "kubeflow". Top rated session at Dockercon was kubernetes. i really hope they open up more and talk about their future plans and engage with the community.
- BretFisher 8y ago
  Um, I was a top rated session that was repeated on Friday and was 100% Swarm, and had a full house https://twitter.com/BretFisher/status/1007099831783862272 https://twitter.com/BretFisher/status/1007099831783862272
  - sandGorgon 8y ago
    Bret - this is not me that's making the claims. Take a look here - https://blog.docker.com/2018/06/top-5-rated-sessions-dockercon2018/ https://blog.docker.com/2018/06/top-5-rated-sessions-dockerc... this is what is scaring us. We love Swarm and really respect all the dev efforts... but the corporate K8s bias in unmistakable. These are some of the kubernetes posts over the last 2 days from Docker's twitter account: https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1016340701800431618 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1016340701800431618 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015620961712967681 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015620961712967681 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015535938678738950 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015535938678738950 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015475755428597760 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015475755428597760 Number of Swarm posts in the same time ? Zero. In fact, I would be hard pressed to find a public tweet about Swarm in a long time. This was the first Docker event in Lahore - https://events.docker.com/events/details/docker-lahore-presents-microservice-architecture-using-docker-and-kubernetes#/ https://events.docker.com/events/details/docker-lahore-prese... Its Kubernetes everywhere.
abawany 8y ago
According to [1], this is not true - it was intended to be an additive option. [1] https://www.bretfisher.com/is-swarm-dead-answered-by-a-docker-captain/ https://www.bretfisher.com/is-swarm-dead-answered-by-a-docke... from https://forums.docker.com/t/is-there-a-roadmap-for-docker-swarm/52581/9 https://forums.docker.com/t/is-there-a-roadmap-for-docker-sw...
- BretFisher 8y ago
  Yep I wrote this, and it needs an update just months later. Lots happening. Even today a big PR was pulled in to improve the scalability of Swarm https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/37372 https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/37372 More updates here https://github.com/docker/swarmkit/issues/2665#issuecomment-399100372 https://github.com/docker/swarmkit/issues/2665#issuecomment-...
  - sandGorgon 8y ago
    hi, what do you think about the approaches of CiliumProject ? (https://opensource.googleblog.com/2016/11/cilium-networking-and-security.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2016/11/cilium-networking-...). They do have a Docker plugin (but does not work seamlessly with Swarm), but they claim to use BPF for superior performance https://cilium.io/blog/2018/04/17/why-is-the-kernel-community-replacing-iptables/ https://cilium.io/blog/2018/04/17/why-is-the-kernel-communit... I think the Kubernetes and Swarm devs have generally leveraged IPVS as the next step from iptables. Any thoughts on going straight to BPF ?

i think they are being very opaque about their plans and this is hurting their credibility. They built the ability the launch k8s clusters through the docker tool. There are almost no tweets or posts about Swarm instead, their blog is full of kubernetes posts (https://blog.docker.com/ https://blog.docker.com/). Even their coolhacks section is about "kubeflow". Top rated session at Dockercon was kubernetes. i really hope they open up more and talk about their future plans and engage with the community.

BretFisher 8y ago
Um, I was a top rated session that was repeated on Friday and was 100% Swarm, and had a full house https://twitter.com/BretFisher/status/1007099831783862272 https://twitter.com/BretFisher/status/1007099831783862272
- sandGorgon 8y ago
  Bret - this is not me that's making the claims. Take a look here - https://blog.docker.com/2018/06/top-5-rated-sessions-dockercon2018/ https://blog.docker.com/2018/06/top-5-rated-sessions-dockerc... this is what is scaring us. We love Swarm and really respect all the dev efforts... but the corporate K8s bias in unmistakable. These are some of the kubernetes posts over the last 2 days from Docker's twitter account: https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1016340701800431618 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1016340701800431618 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015620961712967681 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015620961712967681 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015535938678738950 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015535938678738950 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015475755428597760 https://twitter.com/Docker/status/1015475755428597760 Number of Swarm posts in the same time ? Zero. In fact, I would be hard pressed to find a public tweet about Swarm in a long time. This was the first Docker event in Lahore - https://events.docker.com/events/details/docker-lahore-presents-microservice-architecture-using-docker-and-kubernetes#/ https://events.docker.com/events/details/docker-lahore-prese... Its Kubernetes everywhere.

abawany 8y ago

According to [1], this is not true - it was intended to be an additive option. [1] https://www.bretfisher.com/is-swarm-dead-answered-by-a-docker-captain/ https://www.bretfisher.com/is-swarm-dead-answered-by-a-docke... from https://forums.docker.com/t/is-there-a-roadmap-for-docker-swarm/52581/9 https://forums.docker.com/t/is-there-a-roadmap-for-docker-sw...

BretFisher 8y ago
Yep I wrote this, and it needs an update just months later. Lots happening. Even today a big PR was pulled in to improve the scalability of Swarm https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/37372 https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/37372 More updates here https://github.com/docker/swarmkit/issues/2665#issuecomment-399100372 https://github.com/docker/swarmkit/issues/2665#issuecomment-...
- sandGorgon 8y ago
  hi, what do you think about the approaches of CiliumProject ? (https://opensource.googleblog.com/2016/11/cilium-networking-and-security.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2016/11/cilium-networking-...). They do have a Docker plugin (but does not work seamlessly with Swarm), but they claim to use BPF for superior performance https://cilium.io/blog/2018/04/17/why-is-the-kernel-community-replacing-iptables/ https://cilium.io/blog/2018/04/17/why-is-the-kernel-communit... I think the Kubernetes and Swarm devs have generally leveraged IPVS as the next step from iptables. Any thoughts on going straight to BPF ?