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Interesting to see the disconnect between hiring managers and what people say they care about most when considering a job offer (salary). Hiring managers claim

Interesting to see the disconnect between hiring managers and what people say they care about most when considering a job offer (salary). Hiring managers claim there is a shortage of talent and that they do not care about offering a higher salary. Perhaps that talent shortage would mysteriously disappear if they increased their salary offers.

nathanaldensr 8y ago
Of course it would. It's just standard industry propaganda to suppress wages and "encourage" imported labor.
brightball 8y ago
The number one thing on that list is "limited pool with relevant skills" and not an actual talent shortage. IMO this is more from asking for specific combinations of skills used at a company than anything else. You need these two programming languages, this database, this frontend framework, these devops tools and these other skills would also be beneficial. Generally, you're better off hiring as "if you are competent with one of these and willing to learn the others, you should apply". The broader the stack the more learning curve should be assumed with the hiring process. But it's not in a lot of cases. This also goes hand in hand with the professional development opportunities cited at the beginning of for retention sake.
nojvek 8y ago
Computers are a tool of Automation. A seasoned engineer can build amazing things that does the work of many humans. Not only that 10X developers don’t work 10X hard, they are able to solve 10x problems with 1X effort because of their domain experience and approach to problem solving. This kinds of people are hard to find. It’s a terrible business decision not to pay them well because their ROI is multiple times their salaries. They are also very rarely on the market sending out resumes. Mostly because they get jobs mostly via friends of friends and referrals. But I do agree a 100%, we should be getting paid more. If you’re not getting paid enough, look for other opportunities. There are plenty. The tech industry has never been as profitable as it is now. We are in a huge tech boom right now. AppAmaGoogMsft are all poised to be the first trillion dollar corporations.

nathanaldensr 8y ago

Of course it would. It's just standard industry propaganda to suppress wages and "encourage" imported labor.

brightball 8y ago

The number one thing on that list is "limited pool with relevant skills" and not an actual talent shortage. IMO this is more from asking for specific combinations of skills used at a company than anything else. You need these two programming languages, this database, this frontend framework, these devops tools and these other skills would also be beneficial. Generally, you're better off hiring as "if you are competent with one of these and willing to learn the others, you should apply". The broader the stack the more learning curve should be assumed with the hiring process. But it's not in a lot of cases. This also goes hand in hand with the professional development opportunities cited at the beginning of for retention sake.

nojvek 8y ago

Computers are a tool of Automation. A seasoned engineer can build amazing things that does the work of many humans. Not only that 10X developers don’t work 10X hard, they are able to solve 10x problems with 1X effort because of their domain experience and approach to problem solving. This kinds of people are hard to find. It’s a terrible business decision not to pay them well because their ROI is multiple times their salaries. They are also very rarely on the market sending out resumes. Mostly because they get jobs mostly via friends of friends and referrals. But I do agree a 100%, we should be getting paid more. If you’re not getting paid enough, look for other opportunities. There are plenty. The tech industry has never been as profitable as it is now. We are in a huge tech boom right now. AppAmaGoogMsft are all poised to be the first trillion dollar corporations.