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> Like the number of voters? 3 million more voters voted for Clinton but Trump won because of the Electoral College.

titanix2 8y ago
The electoral rules are the rules. If you contest the result of an election that hadn’t irregularities, you put yourself in the anti-democratic camp. I’m not an US citizen but I start feeling worried about the democracy in general as more and more one side seems to entitle itself to impose its point of view despite loosing elections or referendum.
- extra88 8y ago
  I was replying to a comment about the number of voters determining the outcome, pointing out that it did not and that it's not that simple. I know what the Electoral College is and what it's for.
- Retric 8y ago
  Rules are half of the equation the population must feel the rules are reasonable. Gerrymandering is perhaps the most blatant example, but it's mostly a question of feeling the next election will be fair. If things are down to a coin toss of votes then you can feel it might flip next election. But many US elections don't even have someone running for the opposite party.
cuckcuckspruce 8y ago
Which has been in place since the Constitution was ratified. This sour grapes whining by Clinton supporters is like a baseball team complaining that they lost a baseball game because while they scored fewer runs they had more hits and fewer errors. Except that's not how baseball games are scored, and that's known from the beginning of the game. (Just to get it out of my way: I did not vote for Trump, and I've never supported the man. I'm just sick of people complaining about losing by the rules of the system they knew was in place when they started.)
- extra88 8y ago
  I was replying to a comment that implied that Trump's win was based on having the greatest number of votes when he did not.
  - tonyedgecombe 8y ago
    I could have been clearer but I certainly didn't mean to imply it was based on the overall vote rather refute the idea that the democrats lost on a technicality.
davrosthedalek 8y ago
And the existence of the EC surprised the DNC how? The US is a republic for good reasons. Better plan your campaign accordingly.
- Retric 8y ago
  The EC disenfranchises both Republicans and Democrats. A Texas Republican feels just as useless as a California Republican in the presidential election. But it's the far from the only issue. Gerrymandering, hanging chad, electronic voting machines / hacking, voter rolls, death of the filibuster, etc are all on various groups minds. Individually they don't mean much but the narrative is just as important as the reality.

The electoral rules are the rules. If you contest the result of an election that hadn’t irregularities, you put yourself in the anti-democratic camp. I’m not an US citizen but I start feeling worried about the democracy in general as more and more one side seems to entitle itself to impose its point of view despite loosing elections or referendum.

extra88 8y ago
I was replying to a comment about the number of voters determining the outcome, pointing out that it did not and that it's not that simple. I know what the Electoral College is and what it's for.
Retric 8y ago
Rules are half of the equation the population must feel the rules are reasonable. Gerrymandering is perhaps the most blatant example, but it's mostly a question of feeling the next election will be fair. If things are down to a coin toss of votes then you can feel it might flip next election. But many US elections don't even have someone running for the opposite party.

cuckcuckspruce 8y ago

Which has been in place since the Constitution was ratified. This sour grapes whining by Clinton supporters is like a baseball team complaining that they lost a baseball game because while they scored fewer runs they had more hits and fewer errors. Except that's not how baseball games are scored, and that's known from the beginning of the game. (Just to get it out of my way: I did not vote for Trump, and I've never supported the man. I'm just sick of people complaining about losing by the rules of the system they knew was in place when they started.)

extra88 8y ago
I was replying to a comment that implied that Trump's win was based on having the greatest number of votes when he did not.
- tonyedgecombe 8y ago
  I could have been clearer but I certainly didn't mean to imply it was based on the overall vote rather refute the idea that the democrats lost on a technicality.

davrosthedalek 8y ago

And the existence of the EC surprised the DNC how? The US is a republic for good reasons. Better plan your campaign accordingly.

Retric 8y ago
The EC disenfranchises both Republicans and Democrats. A Texas Republican feels just as useless as a California Republican in the presidential election. But it's the far from the only issue. Gerrymandering, hanging chad, electronic voting machines / hacking, voter rolls, death of the filibuster, etc are all on various groups minds. Individually they don't mean much but the narrative is just as important as the reality.