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No doubt this publication will result in a crackdown. Good job EIA. Background on EIA @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Investigation_Agency https:/

No doubt this publication will result in a crackdown. Good job EIA. Background on EIA @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Investigation_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Investigation_Ag...

raverbashing 8y ago
The question is what kind of pressure will China respond to
- constantlm 8y ago
  It seems like China is going in the right direction with regards to enforcing environmental standards, so I have no reason to think that this won't result in crackdowns from government.
  - whatcanthisbee 8y ago
    I sure hope so. But China's wasting its energy on: - cracking down dissidents (no election - no real 'authority', officials don't have any incentives to listen to "the people"^TM) - handling local politics (again, no election - same PRC ppl) - deporting N.Korean refugees back to N.Korea (continuing just because Chinas has been doing so - just like PRC praising Mao for Cultural Revolution that killed millions)
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- Analemma_ 8y ago
  The central government in Beijing takes pollution pretty seriously, it's usually an issue of corruption at the level of local officials. Once an environmental issue is loud enough to convince Beijing to turn its gaze there, they can usually be counted on to make it go away, by good means or bad.
  - whatcanthisbee 8y ago
    isn't it all because there's no election in China? without elections, why would a gov. official listen to "the people"?
    - tormeh 8y ago
      To remain in power? That's why they have propaganda. All governments listen to their people, by necessity. The quality and quantity of this listening varies, but all do.
      - whatcanthisbee 8y ago
        agreed. But China's "quality and quantity" effectively is "as long as there isn't a bloody riot all over the place" :( and speaking of dissidents, why would Chinese police operate "execution vans"? isn't that to hide execution of key people, whose news of execution may stir the public?
  - ballenf 8y ago
    But does this type of pollution have any localized effect? It might be years before the ozone hole grows large enough to directly affect the country. If the effect of this pollution is that China's competitors have to spend more energy and resources combatting the ozone hole then it's a competitive advantage with the only downside being loss of international reputation. Point is, the pollution China's been cracking down on is the type that hurts the country economically (whether through immediate health issues or making it less desirable to live). Will be interesting to see how they respond. While this report may be the first smoking gun, there have been very, very strong implications of cheating in China on CFCs for years. If they wanted to rein it in, they could have done it long ago.
- sfifs 8y ago
  Loss of face when they're trying to contrast approach on climate change vs. Trump

raverbashing 8y ago

The question is what kind of pressure will China respond to

constantlm 8y ago
It seems like China is going in the right direction with regards to enforcing environmental standards, so I have no reason to think that this won't result in crackdowns from government.
- whatcanthisbee 8y ago
  I sure hope so. But China's wasting its energy on: - cracking down dissidents (no election - no real 'authority', officials don't have any incentives to listen to "the people"^TM) - handling local politics (again, no election - same PRC ppl) - deporting N.Korean refugees back to N.Korea (continuing just because Chinas has been doing so - just like PRC praising Mao for Cultural Revolution that killed millions)
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Analemma_ 8y ago
The central government in Beijing takes pollution pretty seriously, it's usually an issue of corruption at the level of local officials. Once an environmental issue is loud enough to convince Beijing to turn its gaze there, they can usually be counted on to make it go away, by good means or bad.
- whatcanthisbee 8y ago
  isn't it all because there's no election in China? without elections, why would a gov. official listen to "the people"?
  - tormeh 8y ago
    To remain in power? That's why they have propaganda. All governments listen to their people, by necessity. The quality and quantity of this listening varies, but all do.
    - whatcanthisbee 8y ago
      agreed. But China's "quality and quantity" effectively is "as long as there isn't a bloody riot all over the place" :( and speaking of dissidents, why would Chinese police operate "execution vans"? isn't that to hide execution of key people, whose news of execution may stir the public?
- ballenf 8y ago
  But does this type of pollution have any localized effect? It might be years before the ozone hole grows large enough to directly affect the country. If the effect of this pollution is that China's competitors have to spend more energy and resources combatting the ozone hole then it's a competitive advantage with the only downside being loss of international reputation. Point is, the pollution China's been cracking down on is the type that hurts the country economically (whether through immediate health issues or making it less desirable to live). Will be interesting to see how they respond. While this report may be the first smoking gun, there have been very, very strong implications of cheating in China on CFCs for years. If they wanted to rein it in, they could have done it long ago.
sfifs 8y ago
Loss of face when they're trying to contrast approach on climate change vs. Trump