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Agreed. Whatever happened to progressive enhancement or graceful degradation? Many a website and user experience is not enhanced by using Javascript at all.

Rjevski 8y ago
Not only is a lot of Javascript useless, but it actually degrades the user experience. The "new" Reddit completely kills my 12-inch MacBook when I load a page, and it still feels sluggish afterwards. That pile of garbage literally loads more code than content. YouTube's crap navigation system is the same - if you click on a video it will actually load it & update the page within the client using JS, and in my case it's considerably slower than just loading the server-generated page from scratch. I often find myself opening videos in new tabs (and closing the old ones) or hitting refresh as soon as the URL bar is updated just to avoid this shit because fetching & loading a brand new page is actually faster than their so-called "improvement".
- pjmlp 8y ago
  I really hate the new Youtube experience, taking several seconds to display a full page.
- mdewar 8y ago
  It seems the main slow down that users are experiencing on new reddit is due to two reasons. 1. Number of components 2. CSS-in-JS Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/8smbob/an_update_on_performance/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/8smbob/an_update_...
LarryL 8y ago
Not to mention that MANY (too many!) websites don't display anything AT ALL, if you don't have Javascript enabled. Why? I'm not talking about "app"-like sites (like Gmail), where it -somewhat- makes sense to use Javascript, but blogs or information sites (i.e. text + images). The worst is that when you look at the domains to unblock, you often get dozens (not counting the Ads networks that I have already marked as untrusted)! This is crazy, a pretty simple page should NOT require all that complex (and slow) architecture. And don't get me started about the comments sections! Not only do they usually require Javascript to see anything (which is stupid since just reading them should not require it), but ALL their UIs seem to compete for the title of "most aggravating interface ever". They always seem to try their hardest to be slow, confusing, and once you get more than a few dozen messages on the page (as they load on demand), they become simply so difficult to use that it's a chore then a torture to try to reach the last (or first) one. I could also rant about the loss of bookmarking functionalities (because of infinite scrolling for instance), and of the previous/forward browsers' buttons... In summary: in many cases, if not most, Javascript is used in a way that kills the user experience instead of enhancing it. And I don't see things getting any better, quite the opposite.
- Klover 8y ago
  The HTML version of Gmail works just fine without javascript. Which is funny because that's a webapp and the simple page websites that don't work could simply be a Word document usually. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049

Rjevski 8y ago

Not only is a lot of Javascript useless, but it actually degrades the user experience. The "new" Reddit completely kills my 12-inch MacBook when I load a page, and it still feels sluggish afterwards. That pile of garbage literally loads more code than content. YouTube's crap navigation system is the same - if you click on a video it will actually load it & update the page within the client using JS, and in my case it's considerably slower than just loading the server-generated page from scratch. I often find myself opening videos in new tabs (and closing the old ones) or hitting refresh as soon as the URL bar is updated just to avoid this shit because fetching & loading a brand new page is actually faster than their so-called "improvement".

pjmlp 8y ago
I really hate the new Youtube experience, taking several seconds to display a full page.
mdewar 8y ago
It seems the main slow down that users are experiencing on new reddit is due to two reasons. 1. Number of components 2. CSS-in-JS Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/8smbob/an_update_on_performance/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/8smbob/an_update_...

LarryL 8y ago

Not to mention that MANY (too many!) websites don't display anything AT ALL, if you don't have Javascript enabled. Why? I'm not talking about "app"-like sites (like Gmail), where it -somewhat- makes sense to use Javascript, but blogs or information sites (i.e. text + images). The worst is that when you look at the domains to unblock, you often get dozens (not counting the Ads networks that I have already marked as untrusted)! This is crazy, a pretty simple page should NOT require all that complex (and slow) architecture. And don't get me started about the comments sections! Not only do they usually require Javascript to see anything (which is stupid since just reading them should not require it), but ALL their UIs seem to compete for the title of "most aggravating interface ever". They always seem to try their hardest to be slow, confusing, and once you get more than a few dozen messages on the page (as they load on demand), they become simply so difficult to use that it's a chore then a torture to try to reach the last (or first) one. I could also rant about the loss of bookmarking functionalities (because of infinite scrolling for instance), and of the previous/forward browsers' buttons... In summary: in many cases, if not most, Javascript is used in a way that kills the user experience instead of enhancing it. And I don't see things getting any better, quite the opposite.

Klover 8y ago
The HTML version of Gmail works just fine without javascript. Which is funny because that's a webapp and the simple page websites that don't work could simply be a Word document usually. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049