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I really miss the days when I started almost 15 years ago sometimes when we would just build a site with Dreamweaver Templates, and FTP it up to the server when

by donatj 8y ago

I really miss the days when I started almost 15 years ago sometimes when we would just build a site with Dreamweaver Templates, and FTP it up to the server when it was ready. Maybe add a CGI form if we’re feeling fancy. It was remarkably more simple to keep an understanding and mental model of the entire project. Honestly part of me still feels like that would be good enough for most businesses these days still, but that’s just not what developers want to build.

Rjevski 8y ago
This is indeed good enough; in fact there was a post recently about how demand for Ruby On Rails (a "boring", server-side MVC framework) is still going strong. Javascript, single page apps and React are all the hype, but outside of a few unicorns (Facebook, Airbnb, etc), the "boring" way is still where most of the money is being made. A lot of businesses still rely on Wordpress for example, and while that platform is garbage from a maintenance & security perspective, it does its job and proves that customers don't actually care about your site being powered by hype technologies.
- genmon 8y ago
  The front page of Wordpress.com claims "WordPress powers 31% of the internet." A lot of mileage in the "boring" frameworks!
ssijak 8y ago
I just googled Dreamweaver and it still exists! I wonder who uses and pays for such software today. I used it like 15 years ago when I was a kid, that and Microsoft Frontpage, but can`t imagine paying for Dreamweaver today.
- donatj 8y ago
  It comes as part of the Adobe Suite license. I’ve kicked the tires recently but I don’t know who is actually still using it. ColdFusion developers I guess. I don’t know if it still holds true but the government had a lot of ColdFusion as of a few years ago.
  - lozf 8y ago
    Which government?
guitarbill 8y ago
Probably why static site generators are popular. Highly effective, shallow learning curve, simple.
Angostura 8y ago
And those businesses just opt for a nice Weebly or Wix template, or something similar - there's no need for a developer.
- typeliftr 8y ago
  Hell, I’m a developer and I just made myself a Squarespace blog. It’s $12/month and I set the whole thing up in a few hours.
  - donatj 8y ago
    Seems kind of pricey to me for a personal blog. I host 8 sites on a $5 a month DigitalOcean droplet two of which get pretty high traffic.
  - Double_a_92 8y ago
    That seems rather expensive just to host a blog...
- retox 8y ago
  And they don't work without js enabled. It's embarrassing when I visit a web designers or developers site and it's a blank page.
  - Angostura 8y ago
    I don't think we're talking about developers' pages, but small businesses. And I don;t think small businesses in general give one jot for people who have JS turned off.

by donatj 8y ago

Rjevski 8y ago

This is indeed good enough; in fact there was a post recently about how demand for Ruby On Rails (a "boring", server-side MVC framework) is still going strong. Javascript, single page apps and React are all the hype, but outside of a few unicorns (Facebook, Airbnb, etc), the "boring" way is still where most of the money is being made. A lot of businesses still rely on Wordpress for example, and while that platform is garbage from a maintenance & security perspective, it does its job and proves that customers don't actually care about your site being powered by hype technologies.

genmon 8y ago
The front page of Wordpress.com claims "WordPress powers 31% of the internet." A lot of mileage in the "boring" frameworks!

ssijak 8y ago

I just googled Dreamweaver and it still exists! I wonder who uses and pays for such software today. I used it like 15 years ago when I was a kid, that and Microsoft Frontpage, but can`t imagine paying for Dreamweaver today.

donatj 8y ago
It comes as part of the Adobe Suite license. I’ve kicked the tires recently but I don’t know who is actually still using it. ColdFusion developers I guess. I don’t know if it still holds true but the government had a lot of ColdFusion as of a few years ago.
- lozf 8y ago
  Which government?

guitarbill 8y ago

Probably why static site generators are popular. Highly effective, shallow learning curve, simple.

Angostura 8y ago

And those businesses just opt for a nice Weebly or Wix template, or something similar - there's no need for a developer.

typeliftr 8y ago
Hell, I’m a developer and I just made myself a Squarespace blog. It’s $12/month and I set the whole thing up in a few hours.
- donatj 8y ago
  Seems kind of pricey to me for a personal blog. I host 8 sites on a $5 a month DigitalOcean droplet two of which get pretty high traffic.
- Double_a_92 8y ago
  That seems rather expensive just to host a blog...
retox 8y ago
And they don't work without js enabled. It's embarrassing when I visit a web designers or developers site and it's a blank page.
- Angostura 8y ago
  I don't think we're talking about developers' pages, but small businesses. And I don;t think small businesses in general give one jot for people who have JS turned off.