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The vast majority of milk on supermarket shelves comes from factory farms operating exactly as described in the video. But even the best run boutique family dai

The vast majority of milk on supermarket shelves comes from factory farms operating exactly as described in the video. But even the best run boutique family dairy farms are going to have to figure out what to do with their male calves. Watch this recent German documentary to see the reaction when a Bavarian dairy farmer that takes pride in treating her animals well sees the ultimate horrific fate of one of her male calves: https://youtu.be/295wKcuDGQk https://youtu.be/295wKcuDGQk

baxtr 8y ago
Wow. This is really, really awful. Thanks for sharing that video
Gustomaximus 8y ago
1) My grandparents operation and a few others I have spent time with were from boutique operations. At least in the regions I have seen the majority of the market is not based on suppliers as you say. Perhaps there is data to the contrary as my experience is within 2 regional bubbles only, but your statement is not true in these regions. 2) I speed watch through a good part of the documentary. 100% there is some horrifyingly bad footage there. I feel its fair to note what I saw in Germany / France the animals are treated well. The horrifying footage was largely shot in developing countries in the middle east. This supports what my original comment was about, the information being provided shows a skewed view. And I haven't seen anything to change my mind that in some regions animals are treated well and looked after. And in others, they are not.
- cageface 8y ago
  The point of the video is that dairy farms generate surplus male calves, which have to be disposed of somehow. The male calves may be treated well when they're being raised but it's those very same male calves that are often shipped abroad from countries like Germany to meet the fate you see there. This is an intrinsic part of the dairy business because cows must be kept pregnant to produce milk. I think you should watch the whole thing because you missed the point. At least in the US, 80% of the milk sold is from factory farms, where cows are certainly not treated well. https://www.organicconsumers.org/essays/how-boycott-milk-factory-farms https://www.organicconsumers.org/essays/how-boycott-milk-fac...

baxtr 8y ago

Wow. This is really, really awful. Thanks for sharing that video

Gustomaximus 8y ago

1) My grandparents operation and a few others I have spent time with were from boutique operations. At least in the regions I have seen the majority of the market is not based on suppliers as you say. Perhaps there is data to the contrary as my experience is within 2 regional bubbles only, but your statement is not true in these regions. 2) I speed watch through a good part of the documentary. 100% there is some horrifyingly bad footage there. I feel its fair to note what I saw in Germany / France the animals are treated well. The horrifying footage was largely shot in developing countries in the middle east. This supports what my original comment was about, the information being provided shows a skewed view. And I haven't seen anything to change my mind that in some regions animals are treated well and looked after. And in others, they are not.

cageface 8y ago
The point of the video is that dairy farms generate surplus male calves, which have to be disposed of somehow. The male calves may be treated well when they're being raised but it's those very same male calves that are often shipped abroad from countries like Germany to meet the fate you see there. This is an intrinsic part of the dairy business because cows must be kept pregnant to produce milk. I think you should watch the whole thing because you missed the point. At least in the US, 80% of the milk sold is from factory farms, where cows are certainly not treated well. https://www.organicconsumers.org/essays/how-boycott-milk-factory-farms https://www.organicconsumers.org/essays/how-boycott-milk-fac...