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> I had the same problem with the landlord and just changed the door lock keeping also the old one in a box. Don't landlords need to be able to enter their pro

> I had the same problem with the landlord and just changed the door lock keeping also the old one in a box. Don't landlords need to be able to enter their property during an emergency?

im3w1l 8y ago
No. If there's an emergency they can call 911.
- brewdad 8y ago
  Expect a bill for a new door.
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  And they have to just sit there idling and watch their house burn up/flood/etc. until 911 finally comes around?
  - soperj 8y ago
    uhhh what were they going to do? Unlock the door and stop the flood?
    - mehrdadn 8y ago
      > uhhh what were they going to do? Unlock the door and stop the flood? "When your bathroom has flooded, the most important thing to do is to shut of your water as soon as possible. If you don’t know how to do it, it’s good to call a plumber and hopefully they can help you shut it off over the phone before they get to your house to assess damage. If the leak is coming from a toilet or sink, there is usually a knob near the pipes that you can turn to the right and shut off. You will also need to shut off the electricity of the flooded rooms with the main breaker. If you see sparks or smell gas vacate your house and call the fire department, only going back in until they tell you it is safe." https://texashomeandgarden.com/idea-center/bathroom/bathroom-floods/ https://texashomeandgarden.com/idea-center/bathroom/bathroom...
      - Markoff 8y ago
        there is usually central knob outside apartment for whole building exactly for these cases, you can shutdown water or gas in while building for outside for this reason
  - izacus 8y ago
    Pretty much yes. The same thing they are supposed to do when any other apartment they don't live in floods.
    - mehrdadn 8y ago
      You say this with the full understanding that this isn't a $200 laptop we're talking about that's at stake, correct? That that home can easily represent a decade or more's worth of work and salary for that landlord? You're demanding that they must just stand idly by and watch what is effectively years of their life go up in flames in front of their eyes while being prohibited from doing anything that could save themselves and everyone else a lot of grief, just because you demand it must be this way?
      - izacus 8y ago
        Yes, I say this with full understanding of the financials. But also with full understanding that a rented apartment is someones home and a stranger can't just barge into it at will. And the landlord is a stranger, just like any other person in the city or a street. If the tenant gives him the keys (like he would any other person/neighbour) it's fine, but for all other purposes he has no business walking into someone elses home. (I know laws around that differ, but for example here in my little EU country the landlord cannot enter the rented appartment without explicit consent given ahead of the visit.)
        mehrdadn 8y ago
        > A rented apartment is someones home and a stranger can't just barge into it at will. And the landlord is a stranger, just like any other person in the city or a street. If the tenant gives him the keys (like he would any other person/neighbour) it's fine, but for all other purposes he has no business walking into someone elses home. "Just barge into it at will"? In what world do emergencies inside the tenant's home conveniently pop up at the landlord's mere will?! And in what world is running into a house that you own to mitigate an emergency equivalent to "just barging into" some random building you never had and never will have any rights to? If you believe the landlord fundamentally doesn't have the right to do this because the tenant's right trumps it no matter what, that's one thing, and it's something I can at least somewhat understand and debate legitimately regardless of my agreement or disagreement with it. But to just go ahead and completely and outrightly deny the existence of even a shred of nuance on the topic when there is such a clear night-and-day difference between your landlord coming in to mitigate an emergency in his own property and any random dude off the street just barging into your house at will is just... too wild to be honest. It's not something that can be taken seriously... all it does is completely sucks away any energy others might have to hear you out.
  - syrrim 8y ago
    They should get insurance. It is very silly to suggest that they will act as a one man fire department.
    - Omniusaspirer 8y ago
      Tell that to a relative of mine who had a tenant fall asleep drunk smoking in bed. Matress caught fire, smoke alarms went off, and she was able to rush in and get the passed out tenant off the matress then carry it outside. The fire department scolded her when they arrived 10 minutes later, but she undoubtedly kept the house and all the tenants belongings from going up in flames.
    - mehrdadn 8y ago
      > They should get insurance. They should probably also get Bay Area software engineer salary, but alas... > It is very silly to suggest that they will act as a one man fire department. No, it is not silly to suggest people who aren't 911 responders might be able to put out smaller fires... that's why homes have fire extinguishers nearby. (I hope yours is not an exception.)
brewdad 8y ago
Yes, landlords are limited in the reasons they may enter and renters do have rights but at the end of the day the landlord still owns the property. A tenant changing the locks has to be illegal under any sane jurisdiction.
- tpush 8y ago
  > A tenant changing the locks has to be illegal under any sane jurisdiction. Changing the locks as a tenant is completely legal in Germany for example.
- yulaow 8y ago
  Actually in my country the law "soft" encourage you to change the lock as soon as you get the rent contract. The reason is simple: if someone breaks inside opening the door (maybe even just because they were good lock-pickers) the police has to investigate firstly on whoever has the key or could give a copy of them to others, so if the landlord can it is gonna be some rough months to him while they have to check if he sold/gave a copy of your key to anyone with bad intentions. Some landlords even ask you to change it yourself asap (like my last one)

> I had the same problem with the landlord and just changed the door lock keeping also the old one in a box. Don't landlords need to be able to enter their property during an emergency?

im3w1l 8y ago

No. If there's an emergency they can call 911.

brewdad 8y ago
Expect a bill for a new door.
mehrdadn 8y ago
And they have to just sit there idling and watch their house burn up/flood/etc. until 911 finally comes around?
- soperj 8y ago
  uhhh what were they going to do? Unlock the door and stop the flood?
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    > uhhh what were they going to do? Unlock the door and stop the flood? "When your bathroom has flooded, the most important thing to do is to shut of your water as soon as possible. If you don’t know how to do it, it’s good to call a plumber and hopefully they can help you shut it off over the phone before they get to your house to assess damage. If the leak is coming from a toilet or sink, there is usually a knob near the pipes that you can turn to the right and shut off. You will also need to shut off the electricity of the flooded rooms with the main breaker. If you see sparks or smell gas vacate your house and call the fire department, only going back in until they tell you it is safe." https://texashomeandgarden.com/idea-center/bathroom/bathroom-floods/ https://texashomeandgarden.com/idea-center/bathroom/bathroom...
    - Markoff 8y ago
      there is usually central knob outside apartment for whole building exactly for these cases, you can shutdown water or gas in while building for outside for this reason
- izacus 8y ago
  Pretty much yes. The same thing they are supposed to do when any other apartment they don't live in floods.
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    You say this with the full understanding that this isn't a $200 laptop we're talking about that's at stake, correct? That that home can easily represent a decade or more's worth of work and salary for that landlord? You're demanding that they must just stand idly by and watch what is effectively years of their life go up in flames in front of their eyes while being prohibited from doing anything that could save themselves and everyone else a lot of grief, just because you demand it must be this way?
    - izacus 8y ago
      Yes, I say this with full understanding of the financials. But also with full understanding that a rented apartment is someones home and a stranger can't just barge into it at will. And the landlord is a stranger, just like any other person in the city or a street. If the tenant gives him the keys (like he would any other person/neighbour) it's fine, but for all other purposes he has no business walking into someone elses home. (I know laws around that differ, but for example here in my little EU country the landlord cannot enter the rented appartment without explicit consent given ahead of the visit.)
      - mehrdadn 8y ago
        > A rented apartment is someones home and a stranger can't just barge into it at will. And the landlord is a stranger, just like any other person in the city or a street. If the tenant gives him the keys (like he would any other person/neighbour) it's fine, but for all other purposes he has no business walking into someone elses home. "Just barge into it at will"? In what world do emergencies inside the tenant's home conveniently pop up at the landlord's mere will?! And in what world is running into a house that you own to mitigate an emergency equivalent to "just barging into" some random building you never had and never will have any rights to? If you believe the landlord fundamentally doesn't have the right to do this because the tenant's right trumps it no matter what, that's one thing, and it's something I can at least somewhat understand and debate legitimately regardless of my agreement or disagreement with it. But to just go ahead and completely and outrightly deny the existence of even a shred of nuance on the topic when there is such a clear night-and-day difference between your landlord coming in to mitigate an emergency in his own property and any random dude off the street just barging into your house at will is just... too wild to be honest. It's not something that can be taken seriously... all it does is completely sucks away any energy others might have to hear you out.
- syrrim 8y ago
  They should get insurance. It is very silly to suggest that they will act as a one man fire department.
  - Omniusaspirer 8y ago
    Tell that to a relative of mine who had a tenant fall asleep drunk smoking in bed. Matress caught fire, smoke alarms went off, and she was able to rush in and get the passed out tenant off the matress then carry it outside. The fire department scolded her when they arrived 10 minutes later, but she undoubtedly kept the house and all the tenants belongings from going up in flames.
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    > They should get insurance. They should probably also get Bay Area software engineer salary, but alas... > It is very silly to suggest that they will act as a one man fire department. No, it is not silly to suggest people who aren't 911 responders might be able to put out smaller fires... that's why homes have fire extinguishers nearby. (I hope yours is not an exception.)

brewdad 8y ago

Yes, landlords are limited in the reasons they may enter and renters do have rights but at the end of the day the landlord still owns the property. A tenant changing the locks has to be illegal under any sane jurisdiction.

tpush 8y ago
> A tenant changing the locks has to be illegal under any sane jurisdiction. Changing the locks as a tenant is completely legal in Germany for example.
yulaow 8y ago
Actually in my country the law "soft" encourage you to change the lock as soon as you get the rent contract. The reason is simple: if someone breaks inside opening the door (maybe even just because they were good lock-pickers) the police has to investigate firstly on whoever has the key or could give a copy of them to others, so if the landlord can it is gonna be some rough months to him while they have to check if he sold/gave a copy of your key to anyone with bad intentions. Some landlords even ask you to change it yourself asap (like my last one)