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> The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that it's all learned.

dsr_ 8y ago
This turns out to be wildly inaccurate: my mother's profession -- lactation consultant -- wouldn't exist if humans had an intuition about this. (80% of her work is in getting positioning right; this is the sort of thing that new mothers used to learn by having lots of public and family examples to follow.)
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- wool_gather 8y ago
  That's about the interface not knowing how to, so to speak, "configure itself"˚; it's not about the user -- the baby -- failing to use the interface. ˚With apologies for the literal objectification.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    Objectification aside, that seems wrong; while there is obviously instinctive behavior involved (on both sides), both sides also need learned behavior for it to work well; the instinctive component is enough to get to the point where learning has a high enough success rate in the wood that humanity didn't die out from all out idiotic starving to death, but it's not the whole story.
keyle 8y ago
I don't know why you got downvoted, that was one of the best quote I've heard about design... I learnt the gestalt and that's basically the gist of it all.
quickthrower2 8y ago
Breastfeeding is not intuitive for mother or baby.
dragonwriter 8y ago
That quote confuses “intuitive” with “instinctive”; “intuitive” means that it is usable by intuition, which is largely, but perhaps not entirely, learned (though much of it involves applying learned patterns outside of the context in which they were learned), not by instinct, which is inborn. Intuition might be viewed as including instinct as a non-learned component, but it is not at all identical to instinct.
kps 8y ago
“Intuitive = uses readily transferred, existing skills.” — Jef Raskin, Intuitive equals familiar, 1994 doi:10.1145/182987.584629 or https://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html https://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html

dsr_ 8y ago

This turns out to be wildly inaccurate: my mother's profession -- lactation consultant -- wouldn't exist if humans had an intuition about this. (80% of her work is in getting positioning right; this is the sort of thing that new mothers used to learn by having lots of public and family examples to follow.)

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wool_gather 8y ago
That's about the interface not knowing how to, so to speak, "configure itself"˚; it's not about the user -- the baby -- failing to use the interface. ˚With apologies for the literal objectification.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  Objectification aside, that seems wrong; while there is obviously instinctive behavior involved (on both sides), both sides also need learned behavior for it to work well; the instinctive component is enough to get to the point where learning has a high enough success rate in the wood that humanity didn't die out from all out idiotic starving to death, but it's not the whole story.

keyle 8y ago

I don't know why you got downvoted, that was one of the best quote I've heard about design... I learnt the gestalt and that's basically the gist of it all.

quickthrower2 8y ago

Breastfeeding is not intuitive for mother or baby.

dragonwriter 8y ago

That quote confuses “intuitive” with “instinctive”; “intuitive” means that it is usable by intuition, which is largely, but perhaps not entirely, learned (though much of it involves applying learned patterns outside of the context in which they were learned), not by instinct, which is inborn. Intuition might be viewed as including instinct as a non-learned component, but it is not at all identical to instinct.

kps 8y ago

“Intuitive = uses readily transferred, existing skills.” — Jef Raskin, Intuitive equals familiar, 1994 doi:10.1145/182987.584629 or https://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html https://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html