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"If the lane is too narrow to share" can legally be invoked in most cases from what I understand, because most lanes cyclists ride in are narrow enough. https:

"If the lane is too narrow to share" can legally be invoked in most cases from what I understand, because most lanes cyclists ride in are narrow enough. https://www.bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws https://www.bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws > Bikes can share the same lane with other drivers. If a lane is wide enough to share with another vehicle (about 14 feet), ride three feet to the right of traffic. If the lane is not wide enough to share, “take the lane” by riding in the middle. In Texas, 14 feet is explicitly written into the law. As a cyclist I frequently point this out to aggressive drivers. From what I understand there's often case law establishing this in states without an explicit law, but as I said, I live in Texas, so I'm not entirely familiar with other states' laws. Quotes from Texas' law: http://www.biketexas.org/en/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-laws http://www.biketexas.org/en/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-law... > (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless: > [...] > (4) the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: > (A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or Also, in the US, my understanding is that cyclists can ride whereever they want if they are at or near the speed limit. Still doesn't stop some drivers from almost killing me because they think 20 mph in a 15 mph zone is too slow.

monkeywork 8y ago
Parent asked specifically about CA not TX ... thus my reply. I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in.
- btrettel 8y ago
  Here's the relevant California law: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=21202 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... > 21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: > [...] > (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a “substandard width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. Seems similar to Texas aside from Texas having a more clear definition of when a lane can be shared. To me, it's obvious that a typical 10-11 foot lane can not be safely shared, particularly with 3 foot passing laws in place. I believe that was the motivation behind the 14 foot figure, which came from a court case as I recall. Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. Also consider parking on the right side of the road (door zone). Knowledgeable cyclists keep a certain distance from doors because few drivers look before opening their doors.
  - u801e 8y ago
    > Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. For what it's worth, the typical lane width on a surface street is 10 feet [1], though in older designs, they may be up to 12 feet wide. [1] https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/transit-lanes-transitways/lane-design-controls/vehicle-widths-buffers/ https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/tr...

monkeywork 8y ago

Parent asked specifically about CA not TX ... thus my reply. I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in.

btrettel 8y ago
Here's the relevant California law: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=21202 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... > 21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: > [...] > (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a “substandard width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. Seems similar to Texas aside from Texas having a more clear definition of when a lane can be shared. To me, it's obvious that a typical 10-11 foot lane can not be safely shared, particularly with 3 foot passing laws in place. I believe that was the motivation behind the 14 foot figure, which came from a court case as I recall. Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. Also consider parking on the right side of the road (door zone). Knowledgeable cyclists keep a certain distance from doors because few drivers look before opening their doors.
- u801e 8y ago
  > Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. For what it's worth, the typical lane width on a surface street is 10 feet [1], though in older designs, they may be up to 12 feet wide. [1] https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/transit-lanes-transitways/lane-design-controls/vehicle-widths-buffers/ https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/tr...