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https://losangelesbicyclelaw.com/california-bicycle-laws-overview/ https://losangelesbicyclelaw.com/california-bicycle-laws-ove... "When there isn’t a bicycle

https://losangelesbicyclelaw.com/california-bicycle-laws-overview/ https://losangelesbicyclelaw.com/california-bicycle-laws-ove... "When there isn’t a bicycle lane, try to stay near the right curb. Unless you are moving faster than vehicle traffic, passing another bicycle, or making a left turn, you should typically stay close to the curb or road’s edge." http://www.calbike.org/bicycling_in_california_sharing_the_road http://www.calbike.org/bicycling_in_california_sharing_the_r... "The law says that people who ride bikes must ride as close to the right side of the road as practicable except under the following conditions: when passing, preparing for a left turn, avoiding hazards, if the lane is too narrow to share, or if approaching a place where a right turn is authorized."

btrettel 8y ago
"If the lane is too narrow to share" can legally be invoked in most cases from what I understand, because most lanes cyclists ride in are narrow enough. https://www.bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws https://www.bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws > Bikes can share the same lane with other drivers. If a lane is wide enough to share with another vehicle (about 14 feet), ride three feet to the right of traffic. If the lane is not wide enough to share, “take the lane” by riding in the middle. In Texas, 14 feet is explicitly written into the law. As a cyclist I frequently point this out to aggressive drivers. From what I understand there's often case law establishing this in states without an explicit law, but as I said, I live in Texas, so I'm not entirely familiar with other states' laws. Quotes from Texas' law: http://www.biketexas.org/en/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-laws http://www.biketexas.org/en/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-law... > (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless: > [...] > (4) the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: > (A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or Also, in the US, my understanding is that cyclists can ride whereever they want if they are at or near the speed limit. Still doesn't stop some drivers from almost killing me because they think 20 mph in a 15 mph zone is too slow.
- monkeywork 8y ago
  Parent asked specifically about CA not TX ... thus my reply. I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in.
  - btrettel 8y ago
    Here's the relevant California law: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=21202 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... > 21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: > [...] > (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a “substandard width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. Seems similar to Texas aside from Texas having a more clear definition of when a lane can be shared. To me, it's obvious that a typical 10-11 foot lane can not be safely shared, particularly with 3 foot passing laws in place. I believe that was the motivation behind the 14 foot figure, which came from a court case as I recall. Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. Also consider parking on the right side of the road (door zone). Knowledgeable cyclists keep a certain distance from doors because few drivers look before opening their doors.
    - u801e 8y ago
      > Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. For what it's worth, the typical lane width on a surface street is 10 feet [1], though in older designs, they may be up to 12 feet wide. [1] https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/transit-lanes-transitways/lane-design-controls/vehicle-widths-buffers/ https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/tr...
kevinschumacher 8y ago
> "people who ride bikes must ride as close to the right side of the road as practicable except under the following conditions: ... avoiding hazards, if the lane is too narrow to share, ..." IME in urban cycling on US east-coast cities, if you're on a two-lane road with parking (one each direction), "as close to the right side of the road as practicable" means the center of the lane. If you stray to the right, you're putting yourself in danger of car doors being opened, or pedestrians deciding to step into the street without looking (it happens a TON more than you'd think)
s0rce 8y ago
While this appears to be the law, it seems to be unsafe. I bike in Oakland/East Bay and I've never heard of anyone getting cited for riding further over in the lane. I do this basically every day and I'd still suggest it. The only times I've heard of bikes getting in trouble is running red lights which is obviously dangerous and you shouldn't do. I don't like to suggest going against the laws but if you ride near the curb or parked cars you are going to get doored and people will pass way too close. If you move over a bit they may get annoyed but you'll be safer.
- ebikelaw 8y ago
  Nobody has been cited for any kind of traffic infraction in Oakland in many years.
  - s0rce 8y ago
    Also true.
- monkeywork 8y ago
  I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in. I would suggest that if the law requires change instead of encouraging people to go around it encourage the actions needed to change it.
- wool_gather 8y ago
  Almost all states have this standard; some states have exceptions for safety or other cases (obvious one being making a left turn). There's a thorough rundown here: http://bicycledriving.org/law/guide-to-improving-laws http://bicycledriving.org/law/guide-to-improving-laws although it may be out of date.

btrettel 8y ago

"If the lane is too narrow to share" can legally be invoked in most cases from what I understand, because most lanes cyclists ride in are narrow enough. https://www.bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws https://www.bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws > Bikes can share the same lane with other drivers. If a lane is wide enough to share with another vehicle (about 14 feet), ride three feet to the right of traffic. If the lane is not wide enough to share, “take the lane” by riding in the middle. In Texas, 14 feet is explicitly written into the law. As a cyclist I frequently point this out to aggressive drivers. From what I understand there's often case law establishing this in states without an explicit law, but as I said, I live in Texas, so I'm not entirely familiar with other states' laws. Quotes from Texas' law: http://www.biketexas.org/en/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-laws http://www.biketexas.org/en/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-law... > (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless: > [...] > (4) the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: > (A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or Also, in the US, my understanding is that cyclists can ride whereever they want if they are at or near the speed limit. Still doesn't stop some drivers from almost killing me because they think 20 mph in a 15 mph zone is too slow.

monkeywork 8y ago
Parent asked specifically about CA not TX ... thus my reply. I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in.
- btrettel 8y ago
  Here's the relevant California law: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=21202 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... > 21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: > [...] > (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a “substandard width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. Seems similar to Texas aside from Texas having a more clear definition of when a lane can be shared. To me, it's obvious that a typical 10-11 foot lane can not be safely shared, particularly with 3 foot passing laws in place. I believe that was the motivation behind the 14 foot figure, which came from a court case as I recall. Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. Also consider parking on the right side of the road (door zone). Knowledgeable cyclists keep a certain distance from doors because few drivers look before opening their doors.
  - u801e 8y ago
    > Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math. For what it's worth, the typical lane width on a surface street is 10 feet [1], though in older designs, they may be up to 12 feet wide. [1] https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/transit-lanes-transitways/lane-design-controls/vehicle-widths-buffers/ https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/tr...

kevinschumacher 8y ago

> "people who ride bikes must ride as close to the right side of the road as practicable except under the following conditions: ... avoiding hazards, if the lane is too narrow to share, ..." IME in urban cycling on US east-coast cities, if you're on a two-lane road with parking (one each direction), "as close to the right side of the road as practicable" means the center of the lane. If you stray to the right, you're putting yourself in danger of car doors being opened, or pedestrians deciding to step into the street without looking (it happens a TON more than you'd think)

s0rce 8y ago

While this appears to be the law, it seems to be unsafe. I bike in Oakland/East Bay and I've never heard of anyone getting cited for riding further over in the lane. I do this basically every day and I'd still suggest it. The only times I've heard of bikes getting in trouble is running red lights which is obviously dangerous and you shouldn't do. I don't like to suggest going against the laws but if you ride near the curb or parked cars you are going to get doored and people will pass way too close. If you move over a bit they may get annoyed but you'll be safer.

ebikelaw 8y ago
Nobody has been cited for any kind of traffic infraction in Oakland in many years.
- s0rce 8y ago
  Also true.
monkeywork 8y ago
I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in. I would suggest that if the law requires change instead of encouraging people to go around it encourage the actions needed to change it.
wool_gather 8y ago
Almost all states have this standard; some states have exceptions for safety or other cases (obvious one being making a left turn). There's a thorough rundown here: http://bicycledriving.org/law/guide-to-improving-laws http://bicycledriving.org/law/guide-to-improving-laws although it may be out of date.