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I’ve been mentally engrossed with this theory since reading about it a few months ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_theory https:/

I’ve been mentally engrossed with this theory since reading about it a few months ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_th... The good news is, this too shall pass. But yeah the bad news is we clearly seem to be entering an era of destruction.

wool_gather 8y ago
I've been formulating similar thoughts. Thanks for the pointer! Some of the mentioned books bear looking into.
gremlinsinc 8y ago
I hope we're not 'entering' this era, but exiting. It feels like we've been 'in' the destruction phase since 2001. Terrorism, Recession, Trump is icing on the cake, and it just feels like the rise of fascism in America is the end-game, hopefully it doesn't lead to world war 3 (with us as the axis powers). I'm curious when you think we'll enter the next turning? I'm anxious to be there now, but I don't think it'll happen till we get more FDR style leaders in washington, and root out corruption. I think if we can move automation through faster (end more jobs quicker), and force government to find a solution to exponential unemployment then we have a chance. Then we can enter the next phase of capitalism (a more regulated, but still free-market system, that allows people to exist without being tied to a job, because people aren't needed to work for the most part, machines do most menial tasks, and some people can go on and fill the few vacancies that robots cannot yet fill. Nick Hanauer has some good talks on the subject of late-stage capitalism, and his views as a 1% who's trying to change things from the other side of the line.
- awinder 8y ago
  Mid-stage? :-D. It’s hard to feel like this stage is ending but I totally discounted war on terror as a good starting marker. Definitely agreed on some of the next steps we have to take and eager to see them come. It just seems like we are still a long way from any coalescing on a way forward, but yeah to your point there’s great people talking about it more and more. Maybe this will happen sooner but I still feel like it’s a decade or so out, 2028 would fall into the 22 year cycle. To the FDR style leadership angle, tough times seem to produce these great leaders. So here’s to hoping for the brink, so that we can be lead away from it, I guess.
  - gremlinsinc 8y ago
    This is why I believe Trump was inevitable, without a Trump, to .. make life more and more miserable, we can't forge leaders willing to fight back. If the Empire wasn't that bad, we wouldn't need a rebellion, and star wars would've been boring. We needed an evil empire to forge strong opposition, and that's why we have Trump, something to oppose. Does, feel like the rest of the world isn't too far behind us in going down a shitty path though.. Nationalism is rising everywhere not just USA (including Xenophobia), china's social credit score is scary and could be adopted here in America some day, water shortages are going to be worse and worse, job loss to ai could be horrible, etc.. I think because of the way technology is wrapped all around the current climate politically and globally, its hard to keep things in specific exact cycle targets probably, because a lot of what has and will happen is largely unknown because we don't know how fast technology will develop and change the landscape. When will all truck drivers be replaced by ai? 2020, 2030? Never? It's still too soon to tell on a lot, but my gut says the 20's is going to be a VERY interesting decade, and I HOPE a more positive one than this one has been.

wool_gather 8y ago

I've been formulating similar thoughts. Thanks for the pointer! Some of the mentioned books bear looking into.

gremlinsinc 8y ago

I hope we're not 'entering' this era, but exiting. It feels like we've been 'in' the destruction phase since 2001. Terrorism, Recession, Trump is icing on the cake, and it just feels like the rise of fascism in America is the end-game, hopefully it doesn't lead to world war 3 (with us as the axis powers). I'm curious when you think we'll enter the next turning? I'm anxious to be there now, but I don't think it'll happen till we get more FDR style leaders in washington, and root out corruption. I think if we can move automation through faster (end more jobs quicker), and force government to find a solution to exponential unemployment then we have a chance. Then we can enter the next phase of capitalism (a more regulated, but still free-market system, that allows people to exist without being tied to a job, because people aren't needed to work for the most part, machines do most menial tasks, and some people can go on and fill the few vacancies that robots cannot yet fill. Nick Hanauer has some good talks on the subject of late-stage capitalism, and his views as a 1% who's trying to change things from the other side of the line.

awinder 8y ago
Mid-stage? :-D. It’s hard to feel like this stage is ending but I totally discounted war on terror as a good starting marker. Definitely agreed on some of the next steps we have to take and eager to see them come. It just seems like we are still a long way from any coalescing on a way forward, but yeah to your point there’s great people talking about it more and more. Maybe this will happen sooner but I still feel like it’s a decade or so out, 2028 would fall into the 22 year cycle. To the FDR style leadership angle, tough times seem to produce these great leaders. So here’s to hoping for the brink, so that we can be lead away from it, I guess.
- gremlinsinc 8y ago
  This is why I believe Trump was inevitable, without a Trump, to .. make life more and more miserable, we can't forge leaders willing to fight back. If the Empire wasn't that bad, we wouldn't need a rebellion, and star wars would've been boring. We needed an evil empire to forge strong opposition, and that's why we have Trump, something to oppose. Does, feel like the rest of the world isn't too far behind us in going down a shitty path though.. Nationalism is rising everywhere not just USA (including Xenophobia), china's social credit score is scary and could be adopted here in America some day, water shortages are going to be worse and worse, job loss to ai could be horrible, etc.. I think because of the way technology is wrapped all around the current climate politically and globally, its hard to keep things in specific exact cycle targets probably, because a lot of what has and will happen is largely unknown because we don't know how fast technology will develop and change the landscape. When will all truck drivers be replaced by ai? 2020, 2030? Never? It's still too soon to tell on a lot, but my gut says the 20's is going to be a VERY interesting decade, and I HOPE a more positive one than this one has been.