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Call it what you want, it's all annoying to the person that received it.

conanbatt 8y ago
Surely if companies all dropped their marketing budgets to 0, they will increase the profits enormously and provide way more value to their customers! They dont understand anything!!
- paulie_a 8y ago
  That would be a wonderful world to live in. I can seek out the services/products I want and not have them thrust on me. Sounds like a win.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    Yes, its called the 1900's, it was great.
    - fifnir 8y ago
      People tried to sell just as much back then. But they were only about 2billion so the average person didnt have to wade through a swamp of thirsty advertising 24/7. Maybe the whole thing is unsustainable, maybe we can control ourselves, maybe we are better that bacteria in a closed system that multiply untill they kill themselves "But that's the last 2 generations did things, I can't possibly imagine any other way for life to work"
- fifnir 8y ago
  Do the words "provide value" make anyone else puke in their mouth a little bit?
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    Who is against value??? What do you even mean??
    - fifnir 8y ago
      I'm not against value, I'm against the term "provide value" because (to me, and I'm probably a huge minority in HN) it is a term loaded with capitalist meanings. We don't talk about providing value in academia, I assume they don't talk about providing value in philanthropic organizations or political movements. Whenever I hear the term it essentially means "to make money". I appreciate that this is my personal interpretation of this though
      - conanbatt 8y ago
        > We don't talk about providing value in academia I am not surprised. The requirement to provide value in academia would go very much against getting any funding for it.
snowwrestler 8y ago
This conversation is about the design of websites, which are pieces of marketing you only receive if you request one. Are you annoyed that you just received Hackers News, which is a piece of marketing for Ycombinator?
- fifnir 8y ago
  Sites are not marketing, they are the shop itsself in most cases.
lenzm 8y ago
The point is that advertising is a subset of marketing, not another name for the same thing. In addition to advertising, marketing includes building websites and providing information, research to determine market demand, and determining optimal pricing.

Surely if companies all dropped their marketing budgets to 0, they will increase the profits enormously and provide way more value to their customers! They dont understand anything!!

paulie_a 8y ago
That would be a wonderful world to live in. I can seek out the services/products I want and not have them thrust on me. Sounds like a win.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  Yes, its called the 1900's, it was great.
  - fifnir 8y ago
    People tried to sell just as much back then. But they were only about 2billion so the average person didnt have to wade through a swamp of thirsty advertising 24/7. Maybe the whole thing is unsustainable, maybe we can control ourselves, maybe we are better that bacteria in a closed system that multiply untill they kill themselves "But that's the last 2 generations did things, I can't possibly imagine any other way for life to work"
fifnir 8y ago
Do the words "provide value" make anyone else puke in their mouth a little bit?
- conanbatt 8y ago
  Who is against value??? What do you even mean??
  - fifnir 8y ago
    I'm not against value, I'm against the term "provide value" because (to me, and I'm probably a huge minority in HN) it is a term loaded with capitalist meanings. We don't talk about providing value in academia, I assume they don't talk about providing value in philanthropic organizations or political movements. Whenever I hear the term it essentially means "to make money". I appreciate that this is my personal interpretation of this though
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      > We don't talk about providing value in academia I am not surprised. The requirement to provide value in academia would go very much against getting any funding for it.

snowwrestler 8y ago

This conversation is about the design of websites, which are pieces of marketing you only receive if you request one. Are you annoyed that you just received Hackers News, which is a piece of marketing for Ycombinator?

fifnir 8y ago
Sites are not marketing, they are the shop itsself in most cases.

lenzm 8y ago

The point is that advertising is a subset of marketing, not another name for the same thing. In addition to advertising, marketing includes building websites and providing information, research to determine market demand, and determining optimal pricing.