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> I'm fine with governments being the only ones who can view domain registration details. Which governments, where, and at what time? North Korea has a NIC, so

> I'm fine with governments being the only ones who can view domain registration details. Which governments, where, and at what time? North Korea has a NIC, so does Eritrea. Should the dictator of Eritrea have more privileged access to your WHOIS information than somebody who could actually give you a productive tip? (i.e. "Hey, your mailserver keeps trying to relay this message, which is not destined for where it's being routed", or "a host under your domain is ICMP flooding my IoT gateway, maybe you have an unwanted access on your hands"). I've used WHOIS productively in the last year, and WHOIS proxies work to get your address off the registry, I just don't think that the actual owner of the domain (you, domains by proxy, etc.) should be permitted to register a domain without somebody being directly responsible for its behaviour in some way which is a step before a civil suit (which seems to be the only way your system would work). You need an address for your corporation as well, it's mostly the same idea.

tscs37 8y ago
There is no reason that domain providers will be incapable of providing a contact point and you were always able to put a separate email inbox on WHOIS. But there is no need for a full postal address of real email addresses that people might use for personal contacts or a real name. That just leads to more abuse. Same for phone numbers.
- microcolonel 8y ago
  > There is no reason that domain providers will be incapable of providing a contact point and you were always able to put a separate email inbox on WHOIS. The registrars have an interest in not delivering requests for sale or even abuse reports, because it's likely that they will result in the domain either being decommissioned or moved to another registrar.
  - tscs37 8y ago
    I have no problem with the former but they do have incentive for the later as not delivering the abuse reports will lead to the domain being decommissioned because it's on every spam and blacklist ever. WHOIS Privacy Services have been doing exactly this for a long time and they are usually paid by the domain registrar. I think that problem is more imagined since there doesn't seem to be this problem in the real world.
    - microcolonel 8y ago
      > WHOIS Privacy Services have been doing exactly this for a long time and they are usually paid by the domain registrar. Yes, but crucially they are not the domain registrar, and that's because this was already a problem.
      - tscs37 8y ago
        And then what is the problem with continuing this but reinforcing this business structure? Because shitty registrars could now be more shitty? Honest and good registrars don't have a problem with WHOIS services, you claim they would since the emails they forward could lead to lost sales. The WHOIS service is just as incentivized to filter out certain mails since they are paid by the registrar and thus get profit of sold domains.

tscs37 8y ago

There is no reason that domain providers will be incapable of providing a contact point and you were always able to put a separate email inbox on WHOIS. But there is no need for a full postal address of real email addresses that people might use for personal contacts or a real name. That just leads to more abuse. Same for phone numbers.

microcolonel 8y ago
> There is no reason that domain providers will be incapable of providing a contact point and you were always able to put a separate email inbox on WHOIS. The registrars have an interest in not delivering requests for sale or even abuse reports, because it's likely that they will result in the domain either being decommissioned or moved to another registrar.
- tscs37 8y ago
  I have no problem with the former but they do have incentive for the later as not delivering the abuse reports will lead to the domain being decommissioned because it's on every spam and blacklist ever. WHOIS Privacy Services have been doing exactly this for a long time and they are usually paid by the domain registrar. I think that problem is more imagined since there doesn't seem to be this problem in the real world.
  - microcolonel 8y ago
    > WHOIS Privacy Services have been doing exactly this for a long time and they are usually paid by the domain registrar. Yes, but crucially they are not the domain registrar, and that's because this was already a problem.
    - tscs37 8y ago
      And then what is the problem with continuing this but reinforcing this business structure? Because shitty registrars could now be more shitty? Honest and good registrars don't have a problem with WHOIS services, you claim they would since the emails they forward could lead to lost sales. The WHOIS service is just as incentivized to filter out certain mails since they are paid by the registrar and thus get profit of sold domains.