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this article contains all that's wrong with the current hiring managers condensed, except unironically. from the elitist attitude who jumped the fence off deve

this article contains all that's wrong with the current hiring managers condensed, except unironically. from the elitist attitude who jumped the fence off development and pretends to measure a cv with, by his own admission, outdated knowledge then there's the shaming of a guy that's just entered the workforce (because three years are very little all considered, whatever the ba tries to make you believe) for not being skilled enough in more than the basics, pretending someone to have experience in dozen advanced frameworks even if it's likely to be out of place for a junior to start working react/angular off the bat. there's that shitty management attitude too of "we don't train people here only leverage existing knowledge" which smells of a very very bad workplace environment to be, sold as if it were a plus and the icing on the cake: "I would expect the candidate at this point to actively work at improving their skills." - jesus, you can feel the privilege oozing out of the paragraphs.

qrbLPHiKpiux 8y ago
“We need someone for an entry level job. 2 years experience required.”
- Retric 8y ago
  2 years is still entry level in the programming world. 10 years qualifies for mid level not senior, but you need to pay well and call people senior at that level. It's the same thing as grade inflation, you see many B students with 3.9 GPA's.
beefhash 8y ago
> there's that shitty management attitude too of "we don't train people here only leverage existing knowledge" It seems to me that people switch jobs frequently. There's no sense in training people if they leave before your investment in training pays off. Why wouldn't you want to profit from the fact that people can educate themselves on programming skills? You brought up privilege, but a good and friendly workplace environment is only for the privileged. Potential workers are everywhere, but employment is scarce. There's no business incentive to bend over for your workers when you don't have to.
- bradleyjg 8y ago
  > It seems to me that people switch jobs frequently. There's no sense in training people if they leave before your investment in training pays off. This is exactly why golden handcuffs exist. > Potential workers are everywhere, but employment is scarce. It's not 2009 anymore. U-5 (unemployed + discouraged workers + marginally attached workers) is currently less than 5%. The last time it was that low was Dec 2000. That's all workers of any type. The market for programmers is even tighter still.
- LoSboccacc 8y ago
  > You brought up privilege, but a good and friendly workplace environment is only for the privileged Think harder. Which demographic can afford to train off hours?
timrichard 8y ago
> and the icing on the cake: "I would expect the candidate at this point to actively work at improving their skills." - jesus, you can feel the privilege oozing out of the paragraphs. At the same time, we live in an era when developers can use free (in both senses) dev tools, consume free tutorials on YouTube, and showcase what they've absorbed with a free GitHub account. I think you're grandstanding a bit on the 'privilege' angle. For the other comment : > Think harder. Which demographic can afford to train off hours? That absolutely holds water if a person in question never spends an hour or two on reality shows or soaps, which will do zero to improve chances in a really tough employment market.

qrbLPHiKpiux 8y ago

“We need someone for an entry level job. 2 years experience required.”

Retric 8y ago
2 years is still entry level in the programming world. 10 years qualifies for mid level not senior, but you need to pay well and call people senior at that level. It's the same thing as grade inflation, you see many B students with 3.9 GPA's.

beefhash 8y ago

> there's that shitty management attitude too of "we don't train people here only leverage existing knowledge" It seems to me that people switch jobs frequently. There's no sense in training people if they leave before your investment in training pays off. Why wouldn't you want to profit from the fact that people can educate themselves on programming skills? You brought up privilege, but a good and friendly workplace environment is only for the privileged. Potential workers are everywhere, but employment is scarce. There's no business incentive to bend over for your workers when you don't have to.

bradleyjg 8y ago
> It seems to me that people switch jobs frequently. There's no sense in training people if they leave before your investment in training pays off. This is exactly why golden handcuffs exist. > Potential workers are everywhere, but employment is scarce. It's not 2009 anymore. U-5 (unemployed + discouraged workers + marginally attached workers) is currently less than 5%. The last time it was that low was Dec 2000. That's all workers of any type. The market for programmers is even tighter still.
LoSboccacc 8y ago
> You brought up privilege, but a good and friendly workplace environment is only for the privileged Think harder. Which demographic can afford to train off hours?

timrichard 8y ago

> and the icing on the cake: "I would expect the candidate at this point to actively work at improving their skills." - jesus, you can feel the privilege oozing out of the paragraphs. At the same time, we live in an era when developers can use free (in both senses) dev tools, consume free tutorials on YouTube, and showcase what they've absorbed with a free GitHub account. I think you're grandstanding a bit on the 'privilege' angle. For the other comment : > Think harder. Which demographic can afford to train off hours? That absolutely holds water if a person in question never spends an hour or two on reality shows or soaps, which will do zero to improve chances in a really tough employment market.