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My definition of fresh squeezed juice is putting whole fruit into a juicer. As far as 100g of sugar, yes, and that hypothetical stack of produce which is mor

My definition of fresh squeezed juice is putting whole fruit into a juicer. As far as 100g of sugar, yes, and that hypothetical stack of produce which is more than one person, especially a kid, would consume in a serving. And how much is in one can of Coke, which I’ve seen people give their children? 35 grams? In a far less healthy form, with anti-nutrients and no vitamins. This was the point of half my comment. No, I would not feed that entire amount to a child at once. Yes, I would feel comfortable consuming it. If it’s not their entire source of sugar all day - why not? Sure, some people feed their kids eat mcdonald’s ice cream while the doctors here demonize fruit. I’d think they could at least once mentioned that the 100% whole fruit juice that they are slandering is healthier than the sort of product some parents consider appropriate: http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG-JUICE-LEMON-LIME-24ct.jpg http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG... “The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier” You just summed up this entire article, like I did. Yes, juice is high in sugar, and it’s healthier to eat whole fruit because of the fiber. I have a severe swallowing disorder btw, so I can’t consume whole fruit at all. Most people are there kids would never, ever sit down and eat a raw beet, two carrots, five apples, and so forth. Nutritionally, even without the fiber, the vitamins and enzymes of eating fresh raw fruits and vegetables are worth it, despite the sugar, especially for people who eat the typical awful American diet of fast and frozen food. American dietary analysis often includes a myopic focus on one or two macro nutrients, and this is a great example.

emodendroket 8y ago
Isn't the fact that you can consume way more fruit than normal through juice precisely the problem? If you're thinking about a meal replacement, rather than a replacement for water, a smoothie would probably be more filling (although still not as much as fresh fruit, I don't think).
- code_duck 8y ago
  No, I am suggesting that people consume healthy juice to replace entirely unhealthy drinks or sugar in snacks which many children consume, not meals. And sure, if you want to replace a meal, make it a smoothie by throwing in some protein powder or dairy, and putting some of the fruit directly in the blender. But that’s kind of a different topic.
  - emodendroket 8y ago
    I think what's at issue is that parents are not thinking of juice as a treat -- they're thinking of it as something healthy for their children to drink all the time. In fact, it's, at best, a marginal improvement over soda and, because it does not fill them, will not serve to replace snacks.
    - code_duck 8y ago
      I think that is true for the junk food juice which realistically, is what most parents will serve their kids. I'm referring to anything in grocery stores in plastic bottles, which is 95% of what's on the market. Filtered, pasteurized, made from concentrate, blended with grape juice, tainted with pesticide residue and plastic. It is less true for parents giving their kid fresh carrot or beet juice, for many reasons that this article ignores because western medical orthodoxy is not interested. Vitamins, enzymes, healthier forms of sugar and other nutrients present in actual juice more than make up for the presence of sugar, in my opinion. Of course this should be part of a truly healthy diet, which almost no parent offers their child in the US because they have no idea what it is and don't eat that way themselves.
thatthatis 8y ago
Fresh squeezed won’t be appreciably healthier (on the sugar dimension). What makes juice unhealthy compared to intact fruits and vegetables is the mechanical separation of sugar from the fiber water matrix. This makes the sugar all available instantly. When you eat the whole carrot, your digestive system has to tear away the layers of the matrix one at a time to get the sugar out. When you juice you remove the matrix mechanically.
- code_duck 8y ago
  Yes, I’m aware of that. However, it’s important to compare it to products that are simply water with partially synthetic corn syrup, which millions of children consume regularly every single day. We are talking about drinks, after all, and it seems somewhat absurd to be suggesting that anyone eat solid fruit when they want to have a drink.
  - thatthatis 8y ago
    I don’t think anyone is saying “eat fruit when you want a drink”. The point is that while fruit is relatively healthy fruit juice is relatively unhealthy, on par with sugar sweetened sodas. Similar to how beets are relatively healthy and pure sugar (derived from beets) is relatively unhealthy.
    - code_duck 8y ago
      I disagree for a variety of reasons. Fresh juice made from actual fruit or preferably vegetables contains vitamins, enzymes, healthier forms of sugar and other nutrients which make up for the presence of sugar, in my opinion. As for the filtered, pasteurized, sugar laden, pesticide tainted brew in plastic bottles that 95% of people and grocery stores consider 'juice', I agree that nobody should ever consume that, under any circumstances. I'm sure that is what these doctors are thinking of since they don't seem to mention or be aware of actual juicing. I'm not sure at all what the alternative proposed for a drink is - water? tea? with no sweetener? I'm still confident that carrot, beet, tomato, whatever juice (diluted... like people normally do) is a better choice than just about anything with sweetener in it.

emodendroket 8y ago

Isn't the fact that you can consume way more fruit than normal through juice precisely the problem? If you're thinking about a meal replacement, rather than a replacement for water, a smoothie would probably be more filling (although still not as much as fresh fruit, I don't think).

code_duck 8y ago
No, I am suggesting that people consume healthy juice to replace entirely unhealthy drinks or sugar in snacks which many children consume, not meals. And sure, if you want to replace a meal, make it a smoothie by throwing in some protein powder or dairy, and putting some of the fruit directly in the blender. But that’s kind of a different topic.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  I think what's at issue is that parents are not thinking of juice as a treat -- they're thinking of it as something healthy for their children to drink all the time. In fact, it's, at best, a marginal improvement over soda and, because it does not fill them, will not serve to replace snacks.
  - code_duck 8y ago
    I think that is true for the junk food juice which realistically, is what most parents will serve their kids. I'm referring to anything in grocery stores in plastic bottles, which is 95% of what's on the market. Filtered, pasteurized, made from concentrate, blended with grape juice, tainted with pesticide residue and plastic. It is less true for parents giving their kid fresh carrot or beet juice, for many reasons that this article ignores because western medical orthodoxy is not interested. Vitamins, enzymes, healthier forms of sugar and other nutrients present in actual juice more than make up for the presence of sugar, in my opinion. Of course this should be part of a truly healthy diet, which almost no parent offers their child in the US because they have no idea what it is and don't eat that way themselves.

thatthatis 8y ago

Fresh squeezed won’t be appreciably healthier (on the sugar dimension). What makes juice unhealthy compared to intact fruits and vegetables is the mechanical separation of sugar from the fiber water matrix. This makes the sugar all available instantly. When you eat the whole carrot, your digestive system has to tear away the layers of the matrix one at a time to get the sugar out. When you juice you remove the matrix mechanically.

code_duck 8y ago
Yes, I’m aware of that. However, it’s important to compare it to products that are simply water with partially synthetic corn syrup, which millions of children consume regularly every single day. We are talking about drinks, after all, and it seems somewhat absurd to be suggesting that anyone eat solid fruit when they want to have a drink.
- thatthatis 8y ago
  I don’t think anyone is saying “eat fruit when you want a drink”. The point is that while fruit is relatively healthy fruit juice is relatively unhealthy, on par with sugar sweetened sodas. Similar to how beets are relatively healthy and pure sugar (derived from beets) is relatively unhealthy.
  - code_duck 8y ago
    I disagree for a variety of reasons. Fresh juice made from actual fruit or preferably vegetables contains vitamins, enzymes, healthier forms of sugar and other nutrients which make up for the presence of sugar, in my opinion. As for the filtered, pasteurized, sugar laden, pesticide tainted brew in plastic bottles that 95% of people and grocery stores consider 'juice', I agree that nobody should ever consume that, under any circumstances. I'm sure that is what these doctors are thinking of since they don't seem to mention or be aware of actual juicing. I'm not sure at all what the alternative proposed for a drink is - water? tea? with no sweetener? I'm still confident that carrot, beet, tomato, whatever juice (diluted... like people normally do) is a better choice than just about anything with sweetener in it.