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they're really not insane, especially if you're enjoying what you're doing and being compensated for it.

walshemj 8y ago
Not really many studies have shown that after 35 / 40 hours of work in a week has negative effects. maybe like Japan Korea has a presentism problem ie people stretch out work or bike shed to look good. Anyone who has pulled an all nighter knows that after about 36 hours awake you start to see things and can make serious mistakes.
kbumsik 8y ago
Well people are not paid for working more in Korea.
claudiawerner 8y ago
I'd recommend reading Lordon's latest book, "Willing Slaves of Capital: Marx and Spinoza on Desire", which attempts to get to the very heart of this - how come employees enjoy their work, and sometimes even willing to forgo compensation? It uses Spinoza's theories of desire to augment and transform Marx's idea of the basal desire within a worker for material reproduction. Lordon describes quite elegantly how levels of management within the modern capitalist firm work to enforce strong feelings - not only of hope (joy) but also of fear (of losing one's job). Here's an excerpt: >At each rung [of management], the desire to keep the advantages associated with one’s own position can only be satisfied at the price of a supplementary effort exacted by the rung above. Everything else remaining equal, the probability of success diminishes. The injunction coming from on high and propagating through the thick of the system diffuses in that very propagation an effect of fear, that ‘inconstant sadness, born of the idea of a future or past, things whose outcome we to some extent doubt.’ By the very logic of desire, fear and hope are its nearly permanent backdrop once taking hold of the object is postponed, and the time that separates desire from fulfilment ‘necessarily’ creates (from the point of view of the agent) some uncertainty. This temporal tension in desire gives the pursuit of its object its ambivalent passionate coloration (fluctuatio animi, the vacillation of the mind, as Spinoza calls it), since the joyful affect of hope (success) is (logically) accompanied by the sad affect of fear (failure). The ‘external’ conditions under which individuals pursue their desires determine the particular balance between hope and fear in each case, hence the dominant affective tonality that accompanies their effort.
- claudiawerner 8y ago
  Why was this comment downvoted?

Not really many studies have shown that after 35 / 40 hours of work in a week has negative effects. maybe like Japan Korea has a presentism problem ie people stretch out work or bike shed to look good. Anyone who has pulled an all nighter knows that after about 36 hours awake you start to see things and can make serious mistakes.

kbumsik 8y ago

Well people are not paid for working more in Korea.

claudiawerner 8y ago

I'd recommend reading Lordon's latest book, "Willing Slaves of Capital: Marx and Spinoza on Desire", which attempts to get to the very heart of this - how come employees enjoy their work, and sometimes even willing to forgo compensation? It uses Spinoza's theories of desire to augment and transform Marx's idea of the basal desire within a worker for material reproduction. Lordon describes quite elegantly how levels of management within the modern capitalist firm work to enforce strong feelings - not only of hope (joy) but also of fear (of losing one's job). Here's an excerpt: >At each rung [of management], the desire to keep the advantages associated with one’s own position can only be satisfied at the price of a supplementary effort exacted by the rung above. Everything else remaining equal, the probability of success diminishes. The injunction coming from on high and propagating through the thick of the system diffuses in that very propagation an effect of fear, that ‘inconstant sadness, born of the idea of a future or past, things whose outcome we to some extent doubt.’ By the very logic of desire, fear and hope are its nearly permanent backdrop once taking hold of the object is postponed, and the time that separates desire from fulfilment ‘necessarily’ creates (from the point of view of the agent) some uncertainty. This temporal tension in desire gives the pursuit of its object its ambivalent passionate coloration (fluctuatio animi, the vacillation of the mind, as Spinoza calls it), since the joyful affect of hope (success) is (logically) accompanied by the sad affect of fear (failure). The ‘external’ conditions under which individuals pursue their desires determine the particular balance between hope and fear in each case, hence the dominant affective tonality that accompanies their effort.

claudiawerner 8y ago
Why was this comment downvoted?