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Seems like a drastic way to say like that juice is not as healthy as eating fruit, and is not a substitute for solid fruit. Also that it has a lot of sugar. Wh

Seems like a drastic way to say like that juice is not as healthy as eating fruit, and is not a substitute for solid fruit. Also that it has a lot of sugar. When you see this headline, you’d think they might be including fresh squeeze juice from a variety of fruits and vegetables. They seem to only be talking about things like Coca-Cola’s Minute Maid and Walmart apple juice that the average American feeds their children. I thought they might be talking about juice bars. It makes me wonder, have the authors ever heard about the gigantic national trend of drinking fresh juice? Because they don’t seem to be referring to it at all. I don’t know why they don’t suggest that you could give your kids less sugary juice, fresh squeeze juice, orange juice from things other than oranges, grapes or apples. One thing they don’t seem to realize is that many parents give their kids HFCS soda pop. I could think of many parents who believe the only reason to not give their children mountain dew is the caffeine. It is a little healthier to give them juice. Especially the 100% fruit juice they’re condemning, which is a better grade even than most juice on the shelves. I would agree that the pasteurized, filtered, old sugary juices sold in plastic bottles in grocery stores are not very healthy. But they contain far fewer enzymes and vitamins and fiber than fresh squeezed juice. Maybe they should recommend that parents buy a juicer, and give their kids diluted juice that also includes vegetables in addition to sweet fruit. Personally, I have been on a very restricted diet, mainly liquids all year. I don’t have been drinking fresh squeezed juice to solve my caloric deficit, but don’t binge on it or buy store juice because it’s clear to me that the main component is sugar and I don’t want to tempt type 2 diabetes. I’d much rather eat the whole fruits and vegetables if I could, but in the meantime, it’s hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children.

indecisive_user 8y ago
> it’s hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children. Is this what each person gets or what you share with your children? That juice alone would contain around 100g of sugar, which regardless of where it comes from would be a lot for a single person, especially considering it won't be their only source of sugar in a day. The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier
- code_duck 8y ago
  My definition of fresh squeezed juice is putting whole fruit into a juicer. As far as 100g of sugar, yes, and that hypothetical stack of produce which is more than one person, especially a kid, would consume in a serving. And how much is in one can of Coke, which I’ve seen people give their children? 35 grams? In a far less healthy form, with anti-nutrients and no vitamins. This was the point of half my comment. No, I would not feed that entire amount to a child at once. Yes, I would feel comfortable consuming it. If it’s not their entire source of sugar all day - why not? Sure, some people feed their kids eat mcdonald’s ice cream while the doctors here demonize fruit. I’d think they could at least once mentioned that the 100% whole fruit juice that they are slandering is healthier than the sort of product some parents consider appropriate: http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG-JUICE-LEMON-LIME-24ct.jpg http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG... “The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier” You just summed up this entire article, like I did. Yes, juice is high in sugar, and it’s healthier to eat whole fruit because of the fiber. I have a severe swallowing disorder btw, so I can’t consume whole fruit at all. Most people are there kids would never, ever sit down and eat a raw beet, two carrots, five apples, and so forth. Nutritionally, even without the fiber, the vitamins and enzymes of eating fresh raw fruits and vegetables are worth it, despite the sugar, especially for people who eat the typical awful American diet of fast and frozen food. American dietary analysis often includes a myopic focus on one or two macro nutrients, and this is a great example.
  - emodendroket 8y ago
    Isn't the fact that you can consume way more fruit than normal through juice precisely the problem? If you're thinking about a meal replacement, rather than a replacement for water, a smoothie would probably be more filling (although still not as much as fresh fruit, I don't think).
    - 8y ago
orev 8y ago
The process of juicing any fruit means breaking down and often removing the fiber, which leads to free sugars that are easily and quickly absorbed into the blood. Even if the fiber remains, it is no longer enclosing the sugar so any benefit is removed. That is the entire problem with juice and most any drink that contains large amounts of sugar. The process of digesting whole fruit is slow and difficult and causes the sugar to be released slowly, which is what avoids the health problems associated with sugary drinks. This is why juice is essentially the same as soda in this regard. Whether juice bars are a trend or not is really irrelevant to the issue, and it would not be the first time someone tried to sell people things that were bad for them under the guise of it being healthy.

indecisive_user 8y ago

> it’s hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children. Is this what each person gets or what you share with your children? That juice alone would contain around 100g of sugar, which regardless of where it comes from would be a lot for a single person, especially considering it won't be their only source of sugar in a day. The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier

code_duck 8y ago
My definition of fresh squeezed juice is putting whole fruit into a juicer. As far as 100g of sugar, yes, and that hypothetical stack of produce which is more than one person, especially a kid, would consume in a serving. And how much is in one can of Coke, which I’ve seen people give their children? 35 grams? In a far less healthy form, with anti-nutrients and no vitamins. This was the point of half my comment. No, I would not feed that entire amount to a child at once. Yes, I would feel comfortable consuming it. If it’s not their entire source of sugar all day - why not? Sure, some people feed their kids eat mcdonald’s ice cream while the doctors here demonize fruit. I’d think they could at least once mentioned that the 100% whole fruit juice that they are slandering is healthier than the sort of product some parents consider appropriate: http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG-JUICE-LEMON-LIME-24ct.jpg http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG... “The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier” You just summed up this entire article, like I did. Yes, juice is high in sugar, and it’s healthier to eat whole fruit because of the fiber. I have a severe swallowing disorder btw, so I can’t consume whole fruit at all. Most people are there kids would never, ever sit down and eat a raw beet, two carrots, five apples, and so forth. Nutritionally, even without the fiber, the vitamins and enzymes of eating fresh raw fruits and vegetables are worth it, despite the sugar, especially for people who eat the typical awful American diet of fast and frozen food. American dietary analysis often includes a myopic focus on one or two macro nutrients, and this is a great example.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  Isn't the fact that you can consume way more fruit than normal through juice precisely the problem? If you're thinking about a meal replacement, rather than a replacement for water, a smoothie would probably be more filling (although still not as much as fresh fruit, I don't think).
  - 8y ago

orev 8y ago

The process of juicing any fruit means breaking down and often removing the fiber, which leads to free sugars that are easily and quickly absorbed into the blood. Even if the fiber remains, it is no longer enclosing the sugar so any benefit is removed. That is the entire problem with juice and most any drink that contains large amounts of sugar. The process of digesting whole fruit is slow and difficult and causes the sugar to be released slowly, which is what avoids the health problems associated with sugary drinks. This is why juice is essentially the same as soda in this regard. Whether juice bars are a trend or not is really irrelevant to the issue, and it would not be the first time someone tried to sell people things that were bad for them under the guise of it being healthy.