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>Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support ou

by amoshi 8y ago

>Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism. Nice - "get tracked or fuck off" approach.

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tomp 8y ago
Yeah this is hilarious to me. If they offered an ASCII-only version of their website, they (1) wouldn't be losing any revenue (i.e. they're making zero right now on Europeans anyways), and (2) they wouldn't be losing any reputation ("a publishing company firmly stuck in the 19th century").
- rgbrenner 8y ago
  But then they might have data on you in their logs.. and may need to service removal requests (even if its just to say they dont have anything). So that would just open a can of worms. The Chicago Tribute is a small paper in chicago. They've lost zero reputation here.. since their user base is in chicago. Be honest: how much information about Chicago do you want to read? This article isn't even theirs -- it's syndicated from Bloomberg. Go click on their homepage.. you want to read about the local protest? Or the restaurant downtown? Are you interested in the list of great ice cream places in Chicago? Are you ever going to pay them for a subscription?
  - tomp 8y ago
    > But then they might have data on you in their logs If that's the case, then they already have data on my on their logs...
    - rgbrenner 8y ago
      GDPR only applies to foreign companies targeting the EU. There's no way to misconstrue an outright block as targeting the EU. So it doesn't matter if your data is in their logs -- it doesn't apply to them. On the other hand.. doing as you suggest -- a special text only version for the EU... that's definitely targeting the EU. Not only did they serve up the data to an EU user, but they took the time and effort to craft a special EU version of their website. The GDPR 100% applies to them in that case, and they definitely need to understand the law, handle removal requests, etc. You suggest they avoid the GDPR by making themselves subject to the GDPR. That's nonsensical. They're doing exactly what the GDPR says they need to do to avoid being subject to it's legal requirements--blocking you.
      - nordsieck 8y ago
        > GDPR only applies to foreign companies targeting the EU. Why do you believe this? From the text: > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to: [...] the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union [0] There is no targeting required - it is enough that EU "citizens" consume a service. [0] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/
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        rgbrenner 8y ago
        See recital 23: https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ But recital 24 is an important caveat.. and the reason why you see EU blocks. But an EU citizen accessing or ordering from a foreign website does not automatically mean the GDPR applies.
  - rory096 8y ago
    >The Chicago Tribute is a small paper in chicago. The Tribune is the top newspaper in Chicago (the third-largest US city) and the eighth-largest paper in the country by circulation - about the same as the Washington Post. It may not have the journalistic reputation of the Post or the New York Times, but it's certainly a major national newspaper.
    - Animats 8y ago
      It was, once. "The World's Greatest Newspaper", the Tribune once boasted. Now, the company is called "Tronc", Tribune Tower has been sold to be converted to condos, the radio and TV stations have been sold, and the LA Times and some other papers have been sold to a biotech billionare in China.
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  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    Wasn’t the whole point of the internet that geographical distance no longer matters? What if you’re travelling to Chicago and want to know where to get the best blueberry ice cream? What if you’re just a Chicagophile? There must be a non-infinite-large-numnerid reasons why it would be a good idea for a foreign national to access the local papers website.
    - dingo_bat 8y ago
      > Wasn’t the whole point of the internet that geographical distance no longer matters? Yup, the EU needs to understand that.
      - tomp 8y ago
        It does, that's why the GDPR applies globally ;)
joeblow9999 8y ago
This is a perfectly reasonable response to GDPR if you are a non-European content service with little traffic from Europe.
- chrischen 8y ago
  Why even comply to GDPR if you are our of jurisdiction?
  - rgbrenner 8y ago
    because tribune media (who owns the paper) has 2b in annual revenue, and would make a great example case if the EU wants to test its ability to enforce the law against foreign companies.
  - tehlike 8y ago
    Why take the risk?

by amoshi 8y ago

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tomp 8y ago

Yeah this is hilarious to me. If they offered an ASCII-only version of their website, they (1) wouldn't be losing any revenue (i.e. they're making zero right now on Europeans anyways), and (2) they wouldn't be losing any reputation ("a publishing company firmly stuck in the 19th century").

rgbrenner 8y ago
But then they might have data on you in their logs.. and may need to service removal requests (even if its just to say they dont have anything). So that would just open a can of worms. The Chicago Tribute is a small paper in chicago. They've lost zero reputation here.. since their user base is in chicago. Be honest: how much information about Chicago do you want to read? This article isn't even theirs -- it's syndicated from Bloomberg. Go click on their homepage.. you want to read about the local protest? Or the restaurant downtown? Are you interested in the list of great ice cream places in Chicago? Are you ever going to pay them for a subscription?
- tomp 8y ago
  > But then they might have data on you in their logs If that's the case, then they already have data on my on their logs...
  - rgbrenner 8y ago
    GDPR only applies to foreign companies targeting the EU. There's no way to misconstrue an outright block as targeting the EU. So it doesn't matter if your data is in their logs -- it doesn't apply to them. On the other hand.. doing as you suggest -- a special text only version for the EU... that's definitely targeting the EU. Not only did they serve up the data to an EU user, but they took the time and effort to craft a special EU version of their website. The GDPR 100% applies to them in that case, and they definitely need to understand the law, handle removal requests, etc. You suggest they avoid the GDPR by making themselves subject to the GDPR. That's nonsensical. They're doing exactly what the GDPR says they need to do to avoid being subject to it's legal requirements--blocking you.
    - nordsieck 8y ago
      > GDPR only applies to foreign companies targeting the EU. Why do you believe this? From the text: > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to: [...] the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union [0] There is no targeting required - it is enough that EU "citizens" consume a service. [0] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/
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      - rgbrenner 8y ago
        See recital 23: https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ But recital 24 is an important caveat.. and the reason why you see EU blocks. But an EU citizen accessing or ordering from a foreign website does not automatically mean the GDPR applies.
- rory096 8y ago
  >The Chicago Tribute is a small paper in chicago. The Tribune is the top newspaper in Chicago (the third-largest US city) and the eighth-largest paper in the country by circulation - about the same as the Washington Post. It may not have the journalistic reputation of the Post or the New York Times, but it's certainly a major national newspaper.
  - Animats 8y ago
    It was, once. "The World's Greatest Newspaper", the Tribune once boasted. Now, the company is called "Tronc", Tribune Tower has been sold to be converted to condos, the radio and TV stations have been sold, and the LA Times and some other papers have been sold to a biotech billionare in China.
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- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Wasn’t the whole point of the internet that geographical distance no longer matters? What if you’re travelling to Chicago and want to know where to get the best blueberry ice cream? What if you’re just a Chicagophile? There must be a non-infinite-large-numnerid reasons why it would be a good idea for a foreign national to access the local papers website.
  - dingo_bat 8y ago
    > Wasn’t the whole point of the internet that geographical distance no longer matters? Yup, the EU needs to understand that.
    - tomp 8y ago
      It does, that's why the GDPR applies globally ;)

joeblow9999 8y ago

This is a perfectly reasonable response to GDPR if you are a non-European content service with little traffic from Europe.

chrischen 8y ago
Why even comply to GDPR if you are our of jurisdiction?
- rgbrenner 8y ago
  because tribune media (who owns the paper) has 2b in annual revenue, and would make a great example case if the EU wants to test its ability to enforce the law against foreign companies.
- tehlike 8y ago
  Why take the risk?