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Right. The hysteria around double or fraudulent voting is crazy. You’d need thousands of people doing it in most districts to have any impact, and that would ge
by erentz 8y ago
Right. The hysteria around double or fraudulent voting is crazy. You’d need thousands of people doing it in most districts to have any impact, and that would get obvious really bloody quickly.
I think this is a pretty good example of what I find to be the typical of an American practice of cutting off their own nose to spite their face. [1] Americans absolutely hate the idea of freeloaders or someone getting something they don’t deserve that they would rather make everything in life more complicated, less efficient, and harder on everyone (including themselves) than allow a little bit of inefficiency in the system to be accepted as the trade off. In this case it’s the hysteria around a few cases of voter fraud out of hundreds of millions, so they’d prefer to see a system enacted in which tens of millions of voters will be disenfranchised. Silly and out of proportion.
[1] this doesn’t seem to be the saying I want for this situation but I couldn’t think of a more appropriate one.
- wavefunction 8y ago>Americans Yeah well not all of us, thanks.
- erentz 8y agoDon’t take it personally. It doesn’t mean all Americans are that way.
- jadedhacker 8y agoOn behalf of USians, I apologize for monopolizing the word "Americans" when two entire continents have a right to the word.
- irrational 8y agoPlease never use the slur USians again. Thank you.
- krapp 8y agoYes... the preferred term is Murcans.
- zebraflask 8y agoYou've overlooked the race, income, etc. factors, which still matter more than most people would like to admit. Consider a "radical" idea. Who doesn't get to vote if they don't have an ID card?
- hueving 8y agoDouble-voting is only one thing people are paranoid about. The other is the 12 million possible votes from undocumented (a.k.a illegal) immigrants.
- jadedhacker 8y agoLet them. There should be citizenship for anyone living or working in this country for six months regardless of how they get here. To do otherwise is to exploit people and subject them to man's inhumanity to man as we are seeing with recent administration policies. That and the precarity and exploitation foisted upon undocumented workers by US corporations using the threat of state violence while crowds call for blood.
- apearson 8y agoWouldn't that open up the country for interference from other gov't?
- MatrixAlgebra 8y agoBad idea. A steady trickle of immigrants is much better because then it forces cultural integration, especially when the immigrants do not speak English. A flood of immigrants will lead to a nation divided among cultural lines without the possibility of integration because the cultural bubbles will have already been established. We should focus on helping impoverished nations develop, so people don't have to leave from their birth countries to find comfort.
- maxerickson 8y agoBut kill NAFTA. In the US there's really not any community of non-English speaking citizens, so whatever to your complaints about integration, the kids desperately want to integrate (and the parents usually agree). And of course the whole thing where foreigners are scary is as much a modern panic as anything. In periods of pretty open immigration, lots of states didn't require citizenship to vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in...
- xienze 8y ago> The hysteria around double or fraudulent voting is crazy. And yet numerous other countries think it’s a worthwhile endeavor. You could probably get away without ever locking your front door, but why would you when the added security is so easy to implement? Even Mexico has cracked this nut, I think we could too.
- untog 8y agoI think the current state of US politics all but guarantees that any attempt to implement voter ID cards would result in attempts to lower turnout. Every implementation would be done at the state level, and a bunch of states have already been seen doing anything they can to thwart turnout to the opposing party. If such an ID scheme were laid out fairly in the constitution, I think the US could do it fairly. But today? It'll never happen.
- azernik 8y agoGenerally these are countries where one of the following is true: 1. The ID in question is nationally compulsory to carry out most day-to-day tasks, and so no one is disenfranchised by having to show it. In the US, on the other hand, there are lots of people without any form of ID card 2. The country has a history of large-scale in-person voter fraud. In Mexico, both of these things happen to be the case.
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- chefkoch 8y ago>Americans absolutely hate the idea of freeloaders or someone getting something they don’t deserve that they would rather make everything in life more complicated, less efficient, and harder on everyone (including themselves) than allow a little bit of inefficiency in the system to be accepted as the trade off. Except some dozend billions here and there at the military