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Really fed up with this. We have been buying american hardware and software for decades, and now you are offended because other producers are caching up? I am

Really fed up with this. We have been buying american hardware and software for decades, and now you are offended because other producers are caching up? I am also going to do my bit and stop buying, and recommending, anything american. Nationalism cuts both ways, and you have started this "trade war".

scblock 8y ago
No, not nationalism. Seemingly legitimate worries about security. I was just clarifying that I was speaking from an American perspective, where US government has published warnings against a specific set of manufacturers, not all Chinese products. This moronic trade war is not relevant to that position, and I am not at all a fan of the current administration.
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- hyder_m29 8y ago
  Doesn't the NSA and FBI collectively have backdoors on most major consumer hardwares? Wouldn't that be a security concern for the rest of the world?
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    No, they don’t have any institutionalized backdoors.
    - mark-r 8y ago
      That you know of.
- some_account 8y ago
  The US government still has credibility with you? I guess that is nationalism because it's not rational. You can't trust people who lie repeatedly.
- runamok 8y ago
  Eh? Sort of like the NSA intercepting routers and flashing them? Pretty hard to trust anyone at this point. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa...
jbob2000 8y ago
The American government is absolutely not in bed with Apple and Apple has done a lot to distance themselves from the government (San Bernardino comes to mind). In fact, most American companies are at odds with the government, and if they do have a close relationship, it's because the government is just a cash cow.
- monocasa 8y ago
  They're not in bed with the FBI, but they are in bed with the NSA, hence their participation in the PRISM program. The US government is big enough that it shouldn't really be thought of as a monolithic entity most of the time.

scblock 8y ago

No, not nationalism. Seemingly legitimate worries about security. I was just clarifying that I was speaking from an American perspective, where US government has published warnings against a specific set of manufacturers, not all Chinese products. This moronic trade war is not relevant to that position, and I am not at all a fan of the current administration.

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hyder_m29 8y ago
Doesn't the NSA and FBI collectively have backdoors on most major consumer hardwares? Wouldn't that be a security concern for the rest of the world?
- dogma1138 8y ago
  No, they don’t have any institutionalized backdoors.
  - mark-r 8y ago
    That you know of.
some_account 8y ago
The US government still has credibility with you? I guess that is nationalism because it's not rational. You can't trust people who lie repeatedly.
runamok 8y ago
Eh? Sort of like the NSA intercepting routers and flashing them? Pretty hard to trust anyone at this point. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa...

jbob2000 8y ago

The American government is absolutely not in bed with Apple and Apple has done a lot to distance themselves from the government (San Bernardino comes to mind). In fact, most American companies are at odds with the government, and if they do have a close relationship, it's because the government is just a cash cow.

monocasa 8y ago
They're not in bed with the FBI, but they are in bed with the NSA, hence their participation in the PRISM program. The US government is big enough that it shouldn't really be thought of as a monolithic entity most of the time.