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Hi, first of all thank you for your time. I have been a green card holder for a bit more than 5 years now, and would like to move forward with the naturalizati

Hi, first of all thank you for your time. I have been a green card holder for a bit more than 5 years now, and would like to move forward with the naturalization process. For better growth opportunities, I changed employer soon after my green card was obtained (about 2 months after). I have stayed with my former employer (big enterprise which sponsored my H1B and then GC petition) for 3+ years, and with my current one (the small startup I moved to after the GC) for 5+ years, always working in the same field and performing similar software engineering duties. Besides that, clean record (just a couple minor traffic tickets). My question for you is: do you think it would be wise for me to move forward with this and start the N400 process, or do I risk opening a can of worms which could backfire on me and in the worst case having my green card revoked because of alleged fraud, especially considering the new administration? Thanks

proberts 8y ago
Move forward. You shouldn't have any issues whatsoever (based on the facts that you provided).
ninjazee124 8y ago
My case was very similar, I switched jobs in about 2 months from getting the GC. I recently got my citizenship, and it was no problem at all.
jonhohle 8y ago
> ... especially considering the new administration? Not to be rude, but it sounds like you are a lawful permanent resident. Do you have any evidence that suggests that lawful permanent residents are being treated any differently by the government now or in the future by the government? There’s a lot of FUD trying to conflate what’s happening to people entering the country by bypassing official immigration processes and those, like yourself, who have done things by the book.
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- fredophile 8y ago
  There have been plenty of news articles in the last two days about the current administration forming a task force to remove citizenship from naturalized citizens that they believe lied on their applications. That's citizens, not just permanent residents. The immigration process is long and complicated. It would be easy to make small mistakes here and there. Technically, some of those mistakes could get you deported.
  - EduardoBautista 8y ago
    That has always been a possibility. Nothing new with this administration.
  - jexah 8y ago
    > remove citizenship from naturalized citizens that they believe lied on their applications If the individual was given citizenship on the basis of those lies, then it makes total sense to revoke citizenship. That would be like hiring a developer who says he is an amazing programmer who can solve any problem. Turns out after he got the job, not only is he terrible at programming, but he's also a liar. So you fire him. If you lie on an application for something, and you are awarded, generally speaking it makes sense to revoke the award if it is discovered that you lied.
    - PaulAJ 8y ago
      On the other hand, what if you say, for instance, that you got your degree in '93, but actually it was '92? The trouble with the law is that it doesn't distinguish between whoppers, fibs and clerical errors. They are all falsehoods, and all are grounds for deportation if the government decides it wants you out of the country.
      - jexah 8y ago
        I assume you meant to say "you claimed you got your degree in 93 when you actually got it in 92". I work in the background check business and each check has its own windows of acceptance. Depending on how long ago the degree was awarded, the window can vary from 0 years to 10+ years. This is also contextual, as if the immigration application was submitted in 93, and you say you got your degree in 92, when you actually got it in 94, and your immigration was approved in 95. This is a clear case of an invalid application. Having said that, I'd like to see an example of deportation on the grounds of a 1 year mistake in the year one had received their degree, when the degree was received 30 years prior to application. I would like to see it not because I'd agree with such a measure, but because it would give you a strong case. As it stands I don't believe that anything close to that has happened.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  Both LPRs and even naturalized citizens are being targeted; notably, for the first time since this was done during the second Red Scare, the Administration is actively seeking out naturalized citizens to denaturalize. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/04/625980910/white-house-launches-effort-to-take-citizenship-from-those-who-lied-to-get-it https://www.npr.org/2018/07/04/625980910/white-house-launche...
  - bmelton 8y ago
    > for the first time since this was done during the second Red Scare The Obama administration also sought out citizens for potential denaturalization when it was revealed that some of the fingerprint records they were naturalized under may have been faulty, or incorrectly held. https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics/us-citizens-deported-report-fingerprints/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics/us-citizens-deported...
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      The article you cite does not say the Obama Administration actively sought to find denaturalizable citizens, it says that an error which would have made citizens denaturalizable was discovered late in the Obama Administration, and a recommendation was made to identify all the effected persons and decide what course of action to take. Yes, every Administration has reacted to discovery of information which would have made citizens denaturalizable, sometimes by pursuing denaturalization. Since the second Red Scare, however, the government has actively and specifically sought to find bases for denaturalization as a policy goal.
      - bmelton 8y ago
        Despite the poor media framing, Trump's "task force" is a response to that same fingerprinting snafu, and is predicated on the suspicion that some of these naturalized citizenships were improvidently granted. https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-force-to-pursue-d-1827372139 https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-... From CNN: > Since the Obama administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has also been working to put more than 300,000 fingerprint records into a system that can be checked against citizenship applications. > According to USCIS, the effort to followup on those records has resulted in 2,500 cases that have been flagged for in-depth review, and 95 of those have been referred to the Justice Department to date. Yes, I get that Trump's a big scary monster, but despite the media charade, and his inartful presentation, this seems to be exactly an extension of what the Obama administration did.
- deanmoriarty 8y ago
  Please read this, from another fellow HN user just a few months ago, and let me know what you think: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062 This is an employee working with a company where things have been done "by the book", and yet USCIS found a silly reason to deport the candidate.
  - JumpCrisscross 8y ago
    The comment you link to [1] is not written by a "lawful permanent resident." They were on an H1-B visa. That's lawful, but not lawfully permanent. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062
    - deanmoriarty 8y ago
      As I said in another comment, LPR or not, it seems totally scary to me that a visa was revoked because the company committed a minor mistake in filing the notification: for all we know, the company filed the notification in a timely manner but sent a superfluous check with it that caused the document to be returned. In what world is this something that shouldn’t be considered a minor mistake and be looked past by an immigration officer, considering that the company was in good faith? Hell, the guy didn’t even change employer, it was a simple change of address for the same company!

proberts 8y ago

Move forward. You shouldn't have any issues whatsoever (based on the facts that you provided).

ninjazee124 8y ago

My case was very similar, I switched jobs in about 2 months from getting the GC. I recently got my citizenship, and it was no problem at all.

jonhohle 8y ago

> ... especially considering the new administration? Not to be rude, but it sounds like you are a lawful permanent resident. Do you have any evidence that suggests that lawful permanent residents are being treated any differently by the government now or in the future by the government? There’s a lot of FUD trying to conflate what’s happening to people entering the country by bypassing official immigration processes and those, like yourself, who have done things by the book.

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fredophile 8y ago
There have been plenty of news articles in the last two days about the current administration forming a task force to remove citizenship from naturalized citizens that they believe lied on their applications. That's citizens, not just permanent residents. The immigration process is long and complicated. It would be easy to make small mistakes here and there. Technically, some of those mistakes could get you deported.
- EduardoBautista 8y ago
  That has always been a possibility. Nothing new with this administration.
- jexah 8y ago
  > remove citizenship from naturalized citizens that they believe lied on their applications If the individual was given citizenship on the basis of those lies, then it makes total sense to revoke citizenship. That would be like hiring a developer who says he is an amazing programmer who can solve any problem. Turns out after he got the job, not only is he terrible at programming, but he's also a liar. So you fire him. If you lie on an application for something, and you are awarded, generally speaking it makes sense to revoke the award if it is discovered that you lied.
  - PaulAJ 8y ago
    On the other hand, what if you say, for instance, that you got your degree in '93, but actually it was '92? The trouble with the law is that it doesn't distinguish between whoppers, fibs and clerical errors. They are all falsehoods, and all are grounds for deportation if the government decides it wants you out of the country.
    - jexah 8y ago
      I assume you meant to say "you claimed you got your degree in 93 when you actually got it in 92". I work in the background check business and each check has its own windows of acceptance. Depending on how long ago the degree was awarded, the window can vary from 0 years to 10+ years. This is also contextual, as if the immigration application was submitted in 93, and you say you got your degree in 92, when you actually got it in 94, and your immigration was approved in 95. This is a clear case of an invalid application. Having said that, I'd like to see an example of deportation on the grounds of a 1 year mistake in the year one had received their degree, when the degree was received 30 years prior to application. I would like to see it not because I'd agree with such a measure, but because it would give you a strong case. As it stands I don't believe that anything close to that has happened.
dragonwriter 8y ago
Both LPRs and even naturalized citizens are being targeted; notably, for the first time since this was done during the second Red Scare, the Administration is actively seeking out naturalized citizens to denaturalize. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/04/625980910/white-house-launches-effort-to-take-citizenship-from-those-who-lied-to-get-it https://www.npr.org/2018/07/04/625980910/white-house-launche...
- bmelton 8y ago
  > for the first time since this was done during the second Red Scare The Obama administration also sought out citizens for potential denaturalization when it was revealed that some of the fingerprint records they were naturalized under may have been faulty, or incorrectly held. https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics/us-citizens-deported-report-fingerprints/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics/us-citizens-deported...
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    The article you cite does not say the Obama Administration actively sought to find denaturalizable citizens, it says that an error which would have made citizens denaturalizable was discovered late in the Obama Administration, and a recommendation was made to identify all the effected persons and decide what course of action to take. Yes, every Administration has reacted to discovery of information which would have made citizens denaturalizable, sometimes by pursuing denaturalization. Since the second Red Scare, however, the government has actively and specifically sought to find bases for denaturalization as a policy goal.
    - bmelton 8y ago
      Despite the poor media framing, Trump's "task force" is a response to that same fingerprinting snafu, and is predicated on the suspicion that some of these naturalized citizenships were improvidently granted. https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-force-to-pursue-d-1827372139 https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-... From CNN: > Since the Obama administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has also been working to put more than 300,000 fingerprint records into a system that can be checked against citizenship applications. > According to USCIS, the effort to followup on those records has resulted in 2,500 cases that have been flagged for in-depth review, and 95 of those have been referred to the Justice Department to date. Yes, I get that Trump's a big scary monster, but despite the media charade, and his inartful presentation, this seems to be exactly an extension of what the Obama administration did.
deanmoriarty 8y ago
Please read this, from another fellow HN user just a few months ago, and let me know what you think: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062 This is an employee working with a company where things have been done "by the book", and yet USCIS found a silly reason to deport the candidate.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  The comment you link to [1] is not written by a "lawful permanent resident." They were on an H1-B visa. That's lawful, but not lawfully permanent. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15679062
  - deanmoriarty 8y ago
    As I said in another comment, LPR or not, it seems totally scary to me that a visa was revoked because the company committed a minor mistake in filing the notification: for all we know, the company filed the notification in a timely manner but sent a superfluous check with it that caused the document to be returned. In what world is this something that shouldn’t be considered a minor mistake and be looked past by an immigration officer, considering that the company was in good faith? Hell, the guy didn’t even change employer, it was a simple change of address for the same company!