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The housing and culture aspects mentioned are the very small tip of the dark side iceberg. Some of the other aspects: 1) The weaponization of profiling and tar
by suprgeek 8y ago
The housing and culture aspects mentioned are the very small tip of the dark side iceberg.
Some of the other aspects:
1) The weaponization of profiling and targeting capabilities
2) Complete eradication of of the cultural notion of "Privacy" :- most people coming of age today think nothing of sharing the most private info in search of a few baubles (Likes, discounts, whatnot)
3) Pervasive and inescapable monitoring in every facet of our lives
In short - all of the preconditions are there for a venal system that might give rise to a (technologically)ultra-capable fascist.
- justboxing 8y ago> that might give rise to a (technologically)ultra-capable fascist Here in America, this facist has already arrived.
- ythn 8y ago*for very loose and liberal definitions of "facism"
- vertexFarm 8y agoIf you reduce your definition of fascism only to actual, original Italians and Germans in the 1930s and 40s, you completely disregard lessons that we should never forget, to remain always vigilant against the causes of that era. It doesn't somehow show respect for those who fought it then to shout down anyone who thinks comparable things might come to pass in our present time. I understand you think it seems childish to accuse certain practices today of being fascist, but you must also understand that by the time it's clicking its boots and saluting a dictator in front of columns of tanks, it's a little too late to make the comparison in a useful way. Unfortunately it requires a bit of imagination to work with an uncertain future, as is always the case.
- dang 8y agoPlease don't take HN threads on political flamewar tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- omegaworks 8y agoSo we can't talk on here about how we have a President now that sees fit to strip away people's citizenship? https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/uscis-starting-denaturalization-task-force/ https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/uscis-starting-denaturaliz... We can't talk about how he's rolling back promises to soldiers to score political points? https://apnews.com/amp/38334c4d061e493fb108bd975b5a1a5d https://apnews.com/amp/38334c4d061e493fb108bd975b5a1a5d How his DHS is conveniently losing documentation on children they've forcibly separated from their parents? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/us/migrant-children-chaos-family-separation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/us/migrant-children-chaos... Why do we see ourselves as separate from this conversation? Are we not people living with this? Seeing this happen to our neighbors? The people that serve and make our food?
- umanwizard 8y agoAll of this stuff is important, it's just not the topic of this forum.
- omegaworks 8y agoIt's absolutely the topic of this forum. We created the infrastructure that allowed precise micro-targeting of individuals in districts and states that enabled this person to ascend to the highest office with a 3 million vote popular margin against him. His supporters specifically targeted people who might have voted against them with completely bogus information, to deactivate them and demotivate them from participating in our system. We need to be able to talk about this; how 200 year old electoral systems fare when they're pitted against brand new forms of machine-trained targeted advertising, dark user interface design, and disenfranchisement aided by technologically-enabled over-policing.
- lainga 8y agoI'm a Canadian, so no to your 5th question.
- 8y ago