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I don't really care even if he's doing this partly for pro-Tesla/Boring PR, it is nice to see such a prominent CEO take a public interest in this and other huma

by danso 8y ago

I don't really care even if he's doing this partly for pro-Tesla/Boring PR, it is nice to see such a prominent CEO take a public interest in this and other humanitarian problems (e.g. Puerto Rico disaster relief). Given his general tendency to speak out (for better or worse) about things having nothing to do with his work or business, I'm inclined to think his interest is personally genuine. Off-topic: I really like the BBC's illustrated map of the cave. For a static image, really gives a lot of info about the scale and severity of the situation: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/146FC/production/_102380738_thai_cave_detailed_mapv2_976-nc.png https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/146FC/production...

maxerickson 8y ago
The real question is how high he gets before he injects himself into these situations. I like the part where they are at the bare end of their capabilities supplying food, water and air and Musky has them hauling in huge amounts of stuff that probably doesn't even exist.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  I found his comments about them just walking out through a bouncy castle tube, or his flip remark about being good at digging holes, less than useful. He clearly doesnt understand the forces and dimensions involved. This isnt sunny/dry california.
  - tomp 8y ago
    Can you explain why? I think it's a smart idea, except getting the tube that size/strength of course...
    - sandworm101 8y ago
      Such a tube would need to be pressurized to the depth of the deepest water. It would also block the flow of water through pinch points, deepening and accelerating that water. Where is this magic tube? Then imagine trying to handle this pressurized tube in not-deep and/or dry parts of the cave. It is pure fantasy. A man died bringing an oxygen tank through this cave. Pulling 10,000lb rubber tube through that same hole?
throwaway2016a 8y ago
That is a great illustration! Thank you. Only thing that would have made it better is if the cross sections showed water levels.
- schiffern 8y ago
  Cross-section: https://twitter.com/JamesWorldSpace/status/1015131772743368704 https://twitter.com/JamesWorldSpace/status/10151317727433687... Another version: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F3acec37c-7f02-11e8-af03-7edc8dc9d023.png https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes...
- sandworm101 8y ago
  Dont take it too literally. Cave maps, paticularlythose under water, are hand-drawn. They cover key features needed for navigation but are not considered accurate for dimensions. Travel time means far more than accurate distances where underwater currents get involved. This is a large part of the digging problem: lining up the eyeballed drawing with an exact spot on the surface.
Uberphallus 8y ago
Jeez, the group is really really inside the cave, does anyone know if that was their intention or if they did so trying to escape from the flood?
- akerro 8y ago
  The group of teenagers escaped from their supervisor into the cave without his permission. The supervisor went to look for them, they all got trapped there by the flood. Someone found their shoes in front of cave entrance.
  - forgot-my-pw 8y ago
    How did they manage to get so deep just by themselves? Maybe easier to get down than to go back? :(
  - liberte82 8y ago
    That's the first I heard this piece of the story. Source?
saas_co_de 8y ago
Yes, it is so nice to see CEOs take advantage of other people's tragedies to distract from their crashing stock prices and failing company. Because making promises that you will never keep in foreign countries where your claims will never be verified is much better than actually delivering on your promises to investors, the people who paid for your products, and the tax payers who subsidized you.
senectus1 8y ago
Entrepreneurs often do do this sort of thing. for example Andrew Forrest (Australian Mining Billionaire) has offered and assisted many times for disasters (bush fires, MH370 serach etc). Seems to be something that driven guys just do
dayaz36 8y ago
Why do people assume everything Elon does is a marketing/PR ploy? People said the same thing when Elon put his car in space. Pretty pessimistic view of humanity imo if you think people can't do something out of moral conscience. Not sure what Tesla has to do with saving Taiwanese out of a cave and boring company wont be operational for years.
- KyeRussell 8y ago
  You're really fighting against yourself by bringing up the space Tesla—an example with absolutely no humanitarian justification. The choice of a Tesla as a 'test' payload was 100% a marketing exercise and I do not know how anyone could argue otherwise (or if they have). There was no scientific or logistical benefit to using a Tesla, and in the bazar universe where it is, SpaceX's marketing machine spruced it well.
  - dayaz36 8y ago
    cool

by danso 8y ago

maxerickson 8y ago

The real question is how high he gets before he injects himself into these situations. I like the part where they are at the bare end of their capabilities supplying food, water and air and Musky has them hauling in huge amounts of stuff that probably doesn't even exist.

sandworm101 8y ago
I found his comments about them just walking out through a bouncy castle tube, or his flip remark about being good at digging holes, less than useful. He clearly doesnt understand the forces and dimensions involved. This isnt sunny/dry california.
- tomp 8y ago
  Can you explain why? I think it's a smart idea, except getting the tube that size/strength of course...
  - sandworm101 8y ago
    Such a tube would need to be pressurized to the depth of the deepest water. It would also block the flow of water through pinch points, deepening and accelerating that water. Where is this magic tube? Then imagine trying to handle this pressurized tube in not-deep and/or dry parts of the cave. It is pure fantasy. A man died bringing an oxygen tank through this cave. Pulling 10,000lb rubber tube through that same hole?

throwaway2016a 8y ago

That is a great illustration! Thank you. Only thing that would have made it better is if the cross sections showed water levels.

schiffern 8y ago
Cross-section: https://twitter.com/JamesWorldSpace/status/1015131772743368704 https://twitter.com/JamesWorldSpace/status/10151317727433687... Another version: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F3acec37c-7f02-11e8-af03-7edc8dc9d023.png https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes...
sandworm101 8y ago
Dont take it too literally. Cave maps, paticularlythose under water, are hand-drawn. They cover key features needed for navigation but are not considered accurate for dimensions. Travel time means far more than accurate distances where underwater currents get involved. This is a large part of the digging problem: lining up the eyeballed drawing with an exact spot on the surface.

Uberphallus 8y ago

Jeez, the group is really really inside the cave, does anyone know if that was their intention or if they did so trying to escape from the flood?

akerro 8y ago
The group of teenagers escaped from their supervisor into the cave without his permission. The supervisor went to look for them, they all got trapped there by the flood. Someone found their shoes in front of cave entrance.
- forgot-my-pw 8y ago
  How did they manage to get so deep just by themselves? Maybe easier to get down than to go back? :(
- liberte82 8y ago
  That's the first I heard this piece of the story. Source?

saas_co_de 8y ago

Yes, it is so nice to see CEOs take advantage of other people's tragedies to distract from their crashing stock prices and failing company. Because making promises that you will never keep in foreign countries where your claims will never be verified is much better than actually delivering on your promises to investors, the people who paid for your products, and the tax payers who subsidized you.

senectus1 8y ago

Entrepreneurs often do do this sort of thing. for example Andrew Forrest (Australian Mining Billionaire) has offered and assisted many times for disasters (bush fires, MH370 serach etc). Seems to be something that driven guys just do

dayaz36 8y ago

Why do people assume everything Elon does is a marketing/PR ploy? People said the same thing when Elon put his car in space. Pretty pessimistic view of humanity imo if you think people can't do something out of moral conscience. Not sure what Tesla has to do with saving Taiwanese out of a cave and boring company wont be operational for years.

KyeRussell 8y ago
You're really fighting against yourself by bringing up the space Tesla—an example with absolutely no humanitarian justification. The choice of a Tesla as a 'test' payload was 100% a marketing exercise and I do not know how anyone could argue otherwise (or if they have). There was no scientific or logistical benefit to using a Tesla, and in the bazar universe where it is, SpaceX's marketing machine spruced it well.
- dayaz36 8y ago
  cool