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Thanks! But note that by teeth I meant the ability to enforce, not the ability to legislate. I expect the more countries leave or lose interest, the easier it i

Thanks! But note that by teeth I meant the ability to enforce, not the ability to legislate. I expect the more countries leave or lose interest, the easier it is to legislate, but the less leverage they have for actual enforcement, so I'm wondering how that balances out.

Angostura 8y ago
IN terms of enforcement of GDPR, the UK is committed to staying very close to the GDPR post-brexit, and the ICO will enforce.
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  Oh wow, that's awesome :)
- kodablah 8y ago
  > and the ICO will enforce Brexit aside, will they? They don't have a track record of doing so previously.
  - Angostura 8y ago
    They tend to warn before fining, but nonetheless: https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/enforcement/ https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/enforcement/
pjc50 8y ago
There's no sign of anyone else leaving yet. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-support-increases-in-europe-continent-but-also-exit-referendum-support/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-support-increases-in-euro... If any other country was going to do it, it might have been Greece during the financial crisis, but ultimately the same pressures apply: no country can pull up the drawbridge. Dependency on trade, investment, and migration of skilled staff is the backbone of a modern society. And leaving the EU does not make Europe go away, it just removes that country from the decision-making process.
- vidarh 8y ago
  The only thing, I think, that might change this, would be if the UK against all odds manages to make Brexit successful. I personally don't think there's any chance of that, but if that were to happen, anti-EU sentiments elsewhere in Europe might grow. I think the reverse is more likely: That Brexit will serve to firm up EU support even more once the full effects become clear... I live in the UK, so I hope I'm wrong and that things will work out ok...
  - matlock 8y ago
    But to be honest it is in the interest of the other countries who want the EU to stay to make this really really hard on the UK. And the UK has almost no leverage (or has none to be precise). So while I absolutely hate to see it happen because I've got lots of friends in the UK, this is either going to hurt badly (hard Brexit), or the UK will simply lose any ability to shape the future of the EU while accepting most of its rules. Don't see any middle ground as the middle ground would massively hurt all other EU countries so its not going to happen.
    - pluma 8y ago
      > And the UK has almost no leverage (or has none to be precise). Exactly. The UK's main leverage in negotiations was "do what we want or we leave". Now that they're leaving, there's nothing left.
  - billpg 8y ago
    Scientists discover the world's biggest "if".
  - jarfil 8y ago
    Ever wondered why the other EU countries didn't make much of a fuss over Brexit? It's because the UK had many privileges from the times when it was needed to establish the EU... and then it didn't even join the Euro. The UK has been an entry point for English speaking businesses into the European market, but it kept all the benefits from that behind an exchange barrier, which is not in the interest of the rest of EU countries. Now, many of those businesses will leave the UK and establish operations in the EU-Eurozone proper, directly contributing to strengthening the Euro instead of the GBP, which will become a further incentive for countries to stay in the EU. As for the UK, there are other ways for it to survive and even thrive, but whether it will be good or not so much for most of its citizens, remains to be seen.
azernik 8y ago
The EU has always been limited more by political will to take action than by its theoretical power.

Angostura 8y ago

IN terms of enforcement of GDPR, the UK is committed to staying very close to the GDPR post-brexit, and the ICO will enforce.

mehrdadn 8y ago
Oh wow, that's awesome :)
kodablah 8y ago
> and the ICO will enforce Brexit aside, will they? They don't have a track record of doing so previously.
- Angostura 8y ago
  They tend to warn before fining, but nonetheless: https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/enforcement/ https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/enforcement/

pjc50 8y ago

There's no sign of anyone else leaving yet. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-support-increases-in-europe-continent-but-also-exit-referendum-support/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-support-increases-in-euro... If any other country was going to do it, it might have been Greece during the financial crisis, but ultimately the same pressures apply: no country can pull up the drawbridge. Dependency on trade, investment, and migration of skilled staff is the backbone of a modern society. And leaving the EU does not make Europe go away, it just removes that country from the decision-making process.

vidarh 8y ago
The only thing, I think, that might change this, would be if the UK against all odds manages to make Brexit successful. I personally don't think there's any chance of that, but if that were to happen, anti-EU sentiments elsewhere in Europe might grow. I think the reverse is more likely: That Brexit will serve to firm up EU support even more once the full effects become clear... I live in the UK, so I hope I'm wrong and that things will work out ok...
- matlock 8y ago
  But to be honest it is in the interest of the other countries who want the EU to stay to make this really really hard on the UK. And the UK has almost no leverage (or has none to be precise). So while I absolutely hate to see it happen because I've got lots of friends in the UK, this is either going to hurt badly (hard Brexit), or the UK will simply lose any ability to shape the future of the EU while accepting most of its rules. Don't see any middle ground as the middle ground would massively hurt all other EU countries so its not going to happen.
  - pluma 8y ago
    > And the UK has almost no leverage (or has none to be precise). Exactly. The UK's main leverage in negotiations was "do what we want or we leave". Now that they're leaving, there's nothing left.
- billpg 8y ago
  Scientists discover the world's biggest "if".
- jarfil 8y ago
  Ever wondered why the other EU countries didn't make much of a fuss over Brexit? It's because the UK had many privileges from the times when it was needed to establish the EU... and then it didn't even join the Euro. The UK has been an entry point for English speaking businesses into the European market, but it kept all the benefits from that behind an exchange barrier, which is not in the interest of the rest of EU countries. Now, many of those businesses will leave the UK and establish operations in the EU-Eurozone proper, directly contributing to strengthening the Euro instead of the GBP, which will become a further incentive for countries to stay in the EU. As for the UK, there are other ways for it to survive and even thrive, but whether it will be good or not so much for most of its citizens, remains to be seen.

azernik 8y ago

The EU has always been limited more by political will to take action than by its theoretical power.