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This is not a trade-war issue. This is a long planned review of the Privacy Shield regulation. Even if all trade conflicts ended, this would continue because it

by madez 8y ago

This is not a trade-war issue. This is a long planned review of the Privacy Shield regulation. Even if all trade conflicts ended, this would continue because it is not about trade but fundamental rights.

davidvaughan 8y ago
It is possible that the resolution gained more votes because of the trade war. In general, Members of the European Parliament have less understanding of business and trade than businesspeople and traders, and in my view[0] tend to follow their emotions more in those areas. Some also have a streak of anti-Americanism, in varying degrees. As the heat increases, this sort of resolution may occur more frequently. I'm sceptical of the notion that MEPs all voted according to their devotion to fundamental rights. None of this means that I believe pursuing the resolution into legislation is a bad or a good idea. I'd have to see (and understand the consequences of) the proposed measure. [0]This is an impression; I have no empirical data
- Angostura 8y ago
  > I'm sceptical of the notion that MEPs all voted according to their devotion to fundamental rights. This is what it comes down to, your disbelief that MEPs could have a genuine interest in their constituents' privacy.
  - ferongr 8y ago
    It's the rational belief to hold.
    - Certhas 8y ago
      You can't just claim a position is rational just because it is cynical.
      - Nasrudith 8y ago
        It seems like a sadly reasonable assumption given past behavior and their own spying and loopholed cooperation.
        simonh 8y ago
        So you don’t think passing GDPR and the previous data protection legislation going back decades, and enforcing them counts as evidence? I’m sorry, that is a bit snarky, but the EU has been pushing strongly in this direction for a long time and it’s been perfectly apparent it was going to come up hard against the US on this.
        Silhouette 8y ago
        So you don’t think passing GDPR and the previous data protection legislation going back decades, and enforcing them counts as evidence? Sure it does, but so do all the loopholes they wrote into those laws so EU member states could continue their own surveillance programmes and data seizure powers, and for that matter all the then-illegal spying programmes that were retrospectively legalised when Snowden et al brought them to light. Let's not pretend the EU and its members are whiter than white in this area, nor that the EU is above attacking the US tech sector through non-technical means.
- bryanrasmussen 8y ago
  >It is possible that the resolution gained more votes because of the trade war. or probably just general dissatisfaction with the U.S.
- Certhas 8y ago
  The MEPs are simply doing their job, which is a different one than that of businesspeople and traders.
psergeant 8y ago
> This is not a trade-war issue There’s certainly plausible deniability that it isn’t, I’ll give you that. Is it extra leverage that will almost certainly come into play? Yes, it’s also that.
- soneil 8y ago
  I think it's clear there is a relationship between the two. Perhaps incidental, but they're still bound together. According to the article, the only implementation on the US side was by presidential policy directive. So our faith in the US implementation of the 'privacy shield' is only as good as our faith in the integrity of said Directive. Even starting from a low point where it's quite clear Trump is interested in tearing up anything Obama put his name to; his increasingly reckless approach to international relations lowers our faith in any presidential directive by the day. At this point 'privacy shield' either needs to make it into law proper, or we should just assume its days are numbered.
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by madez 8y ago

davidvaughan 8y ago

It is possible that the resolution gained more votes because of the trade war. In general, Members of the European Parliament have less understanding of business and trade than businesspeople and traders, and in my view[0] tend to follow their emotions more in those areas. Some also have a streak of anti-Americanism, in varying degrees. As the heat increases, this sort of resolution may occur more frequently. I'm sceptical of the notion that MEPs all voted according to their devotion to fundamental rights. None of this means that I believe pursuing the resolution into legislation is a bad or a good idea. I'd have to see (and understand the consequences of) the proposed measure. [0]This is an impression; I have no empirical data

Angostura 8y ago
> I'm sceptical of the notion that MEPs all voted according to their devotion to fundamental rights. This is what it comes down to, your disbelief that MEPs could have a genuine interest in their constituents' privacy.
- ferongr 8y ago
  It's the rational belief to hold.
  - Certhas 8y ago
    You can't just claim a position is rational just because it is cynical.
    - Nasrudith 8y ago
      It seems like a sadly reasonable assumption given past behavior and their own spying and loopholed cooperation.
      - simonh 8y ago
        So you don’t think passing GDPR and the previous data protection legislation going back decades, and enforcing them counts as evidence? I’m sorry, that is a bit snarky, but the EU has been pushing strongly in this direction for a long time and it’s been perfectly apparent it was going to come up hard against the US on this.
        Silhouette 8y ago
        So you don’t think passing GDPR and the previous data protection legislation going back decades, and enforcing them counts as evidence? Sure it does, but so do all the loopholes they wrote into those laws so EU member states could continue their own surveillance programmes and data seizure powers, and for that matter all the then-illegal spying programmes that were retrospectively legalised when Snowden et al brought them to light. Let's not pretend the EU and its members are whiter than white in this area, nor that the EU is above attacking the US tech sector through non-technical means.
bryanrasmussen 8y ago
>It is possible that the resolution gained more votes because of the trade war. or probably just general dissatisfaction with the U.S.
Certhas 8y ago
The MEPs are simply doing their job, which is a different one than that of businesspeople and traders.

psergeant 8y ago

> This is not a trade-war issue There’s certainly plausible deniability that it isn’t, I’ll give you that. Is it extra leverage that will almost certainly come into play? Yes, it’s also that.

soneil 8y ago
I think it's clear there is a relationship between the two. Perhaps incidental, but they're still bound together. According to the article, the only implementation on the US side was by presidential policy directive. So our faith in the US implementation of the 'privacy shield' is only as good as our faith in the integrity of said Directive. Even starting from a low point where it's quite clear Trump is interested in tearing up anything Obama put his name to; his increasingly reckless approach to international relations lowers our faith in any presidential directive by the day. At this point 'privacy shield' either needs to make it into law proper, or we should just assume its days are numbered.

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