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Show HN: Hacker News job trends
- lihaciudaniel 8y agoNice tool, I wonder if trends can be used for marketing and recruitment?
- giancarlostoro 8y agoI'm not thinking for marketing or recruitment but for educational institutions trying to push certain courses it could work.
- flipp3r 8y agoWanted to see more so I installed it. Just throws a "ENOENT no such file or directory, scandir '...\node_modules\hacker-job-trends\assets\rowContents'" Nice graphs though. Source of that is https://github.com/kroitor/asciichart https://github.com/kroitor/asciichart
- listentojohan 8y agoI get get same error - though haven't really used npm before.
- sailfast 8y agoI’ve seen node or npm version differences cause this kind of error before. Not the OP but maybe try with the latest?
- sailfast 8y agoUneditable, but obviously this was not the issue. Disregard. :)
- smt88 8y agoAs I mentioned elsewhere, the graphs were a disaster on mobile for me. I'd prefer if they were rendered into PNGs and inlined in the future, perhaps using something like ChartJS[1]. (I still appreciated and upvoted this project, though. I know nothing is perfect when it's first released.) 1. https://github.com/vmpowerio/chartjs-node/ https://github.com/vmpowerio/chartjs-node/
- symlinkk 8y agoIt's a command line tool, who cares if it works on mobile.
- smt88 8y agoIt was posted on a website which, if it's a typical news site, gets at least 40% of its traffic from mobile devices. I understand your point, but at least the readme could have images as a demo. Anyway, it doesn't matter that much. Clearly we all like the tool regardless.
- b2ccb2 8y agoThe assets are missing [1], just clone the github repo and move the offending directory to '...\node_modules\hacker-job-trends\assets\rowContents' [1] https://github.com/timqian/hacker-job-trends/tree/master/assets/rowContents https://github.com/timqian/hacker-job-trends/tree/master/ass...
- timqian 8y agoThanks for reporting this, the reason is I ignored the rowContents to npm registry, it is fixed now.
- peterburkimsher 8y agoHas someone already made a map with the countries where the jobs are being offered? If not, I might do so. I'm currently trying to find a job in New Zealand, Australia, or Canada.
- smt88 8y agoJust want to warn others that this didn't display properly in my mobile browser, seemingly due to whitespace/wrapping issues. It looks fine on my desktop.
- jeff_friesen 8y agoIt works for me if I set github to use the desktop version. I wish I knew of a way to always use the desktop version on my phone.
- mimimihaha 8y agoI really don’t mind most mobile sites. What I really hate that i wish i could disable is Amp from Google. Not only do they track your history without your permission with no opt out but they reduce the functionality of websites that i want to look at. They say the reduce the amount of data i use but when i have to load the website i’m visiting twice because i reload the page without amp, i’m using more data.
- iijj 8y agoOn Safari on iOS, long press the reload icon in the url bar to bring up a menu to request the desktop version or reload the page with content blockers disabled. In this case, it does fix the formatting of the graphs.
- lucb1e 8y agoA data dump would have been much nicer, I don't want to have to install a package to basically run grep on a dataset. The tool should only be for updating the dataset.
- parhamn 8y agoThis attitude I see all the time on HN absolutely irks me (e.g. the whole 'A graph of programming languages connected through compilers' thread). Too often people post something fun and cool they built and readers complain about some random feature they think would make it better. It's not like OPs goal was to solve every little problem with graphing terms in HN Job threads. There should really be a rule against this sort of critique. Its one thing to make a feature suggestion to be helpful to the author and a completely different thing to provide armchair critique like this. The tool they wrote is to do the job they wanted to do. If you want something else, build it. If it doesn't satisfy your needs or you're too lazy to fork it, move on. With that said, the data (text and HTML) is literally in the assets dir of the repository which should make it easier for you to build your version of the tool. Did you bother looking?
- jcims 8y agoIt feels shameful when you see it directed at others, but then if you post your own stuff you don't want the feeling that the community is pulling punches just to play nice. Fortunately most of these things are open source, so there's always the 'well submit a PR' response. It's been so long since I slung HTML that I am fairly certain if I attempted it for a Show HN, folks would be so distracted by how bad it is they wouldn't pay attention to the utility of it.
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- lucb1e 8y agoI did actually bother to look in src, but for some reason didn't check out assets. Now that you mention it, it seems quite obvious, not sure how I missed it.
- lilyqian 8y agoq a
- pknerd 8y agoThank you for your work. Really helpful.
- TekMol 8y agoWould love to play with the dataset in the browser. I assume it's small enough to load all comments into an array and then let the user run their own queries and ouput the result into a nice chart library. That would be fun!
- timqian 8y agoYeah, row content is about 16mb, This is exactly what I will do in the next step
- bojo 8y agoThere's been many a discussion here about companies holding out for the perfect candidate, curious to see how many jobs go unfilled for how long.
- PaulRobinson 8y agoI got a new remote gig recently. Because I'm going to talk about recruitment process and I don't think it's relevant, I won't name my new employer here. My process had over a dozen stages, mostly 1+ hour video calls, one of them a 2-hour tech test. It took several months to complete. I wasn't in a rush (I actually walked away from it for about a month in the middle for personal reasons), and they were being a little cagey perhaps because it was a senior-ish hire into tech (Principal), and picking the wrong person at that level can do serious damage to a tech culture. I appreciated they took it that seriously. They then were prepared to wait for my notice on my existing role, which was 3 months (negotiated down to half that in the end). That shows commitment on both sides. This is going to be a stronger trend. There are a lot of people out there with a CV that says "senior developer" on it, asking for top-drawer contractor rates, feeling a little entitled because they know some React or Go, so it makes sense to take your time and really, really kick the tires. With a remote workforce, able to hire anybody in any country, it makes sense to really find the best you can: they can make or break your business. Makes sense to me. There is research - but I can't place where/when I read it right now - that says you should decide how many people you're prepared to interview, then discard your first third of that number. Then hire the first person you meet who is better than the best candidate in the first third.
- hyperknot 8y agoIt's actually 1/e ~ 36.7%, the solution to the mathematical problem of how can you find the best sample in a sequence, if you cannot go "back" and pick one of the previous ones. As long as you can ask people to "wait a bit" this is not the best solution.
- gknoy 8y agoFor those interested in why, you can look for info on the "secretary problem": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem
- dorfsmay 8y agoWhen using multiple keyword with the + and - signs, it graphs the sum of all posts requiring one technology in addition to all posts requiring the other technology. It'd be great if there was a way to graph sum of all posts that require both (or more) technologies. I have tried with spaces and comas etc... (eg: 'rust, python') but it doesn't work well as you have to guess exact matches (so 'rust, python' is a different result than 'python, rust').
- philsnow 8y agoYou can also end up with results like some months having a negative number of posts. I think the intuitive meaning of any arithmetic operators here would be set operations.
- dstjean 8y agoGood job. Why did you prefer using the HTML format instead of HN API? https://github.com/HackerNews/API https://github.com/HackerNews/API
- sctb 8y agoPerhaps because you can request a page of items at a time? For something like this an even better alternative might be the BigQuery dataset: https://cloud.google.com/bigquery/public-data/hacker-news https://cloud.google.com/bigquery/public-data/hacker-news.
- mountaineer 8y agoNice work. I've been tracking this data for about 5 years on https://hntrends.com https://hntrends.com and enjoy seeing others come up with new tools and ways to analyze the data.
- spraak 8y agoThis is awesome! :)
- mountaineer 8y agoThanks! Glad it's useful.
- hamstercat 8y agoI tried adding it to feedbin but it can't find any feed. Is it possible to subscribe to it with a RSS reader?
- mountaineer 8y agoA RSS feed has been on my todo list, will get that added.
- hamstercat 8y agoNice, thanks!
- dhruvarora013 8y agoThis is absolutely incredible!
- mountaineer 8y agoThank you!
- lkrubner 8y agoI was aware that Ruby On Rails had suffered a slow decline, and it was good to see some actual evidence of that.
- Torai 8y agoWell. Expecting an article about job trends, with good old text and maybe some new cool info-graphics, and after clicking the link discovering a file/archive directory first and them some vintage looking graphics... is weird.
- NVRM 8y agoThe graph part is pretty cool. Is it doable to use this graph for any kind of data? Or maybe someone know a tool to trace similar graphs into a terminal?
- supermdguy 8y agoLooks like it's using asciichart: https://www.npmjs.com/package/asciichart https://www.npmjs.com/package/asciichart
- NVRM 8y agoThank you very much!
- pseudonymcoward 8y agoInterestingly named package given that it's clearly using quite a few non-ascii characters which will break non-unicode aware consoles. Also that the description, Node page, and github repo list different licences.
- vidarh 8y ago"ascii" these days is so often used as a synonym for "text only" that I suspect a fair share of the people using it as a word does not know what it stands for or what it originally meant.
- kec 8y agoEverything in there looks ascii to me, just using the charting characters in the high end of the table.
- alyx 8y ago"ASCII" is limited to characters 0 - 127 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII
- justinzollars 8y agoFantastic work! I will use this. :)
- danesparza 8y agoNicely done! I really like the example graphs you give. I'm sure this crowd would appreciate seeing an example graph for Kotlin, Scala, or Rust as well. :-)
- qop 8y agoThis looks horrendous on mobile. I can do Request Desktop Site on my mobile browser and it looks better but not perfectly aligned still.
- mixmastamyk 8y agoNice work, interesting trends. The monospace font was a mess on Linux at least, had to deactivate the font-family css and it picked up my standard font (source code pro) and all was right again.
- psetq 8y agoIf your goal was to be helpful, you should really be more specific than just "linux". It works fine on Firefox / Ubuntu Xenial for me. In any event, I'd suspect it was more likely for the problem to be in the browser rather than than the kernel...
- mixmastamyk 8y agoIf your goal is to be helpful a little less pedantry would be in order. Firefox / Ubuntu Bionic, probably related to font choice or font-rendering library.
- lend000 8y agoThis is very cool. Is there a way to adjust search results for total number of posts? By searching for `hjt 'a'`, I can get an idea of how many total posts there are by month and approximate adjustments in my head, but it would be nice to directly scale results.
- spocklivelong 8y agoReally nice work. An idea: Could we couple this with Who wants to be hired threads and see where there is a talent deficit and surplus?
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- segmondy 8y agoI use a script to get an idea of demand in relation to others w3m -dump https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17442187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17442187 | tr '[:space:]' '[\n]' | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' | grep -v "^\s$" | tr -cd '[[:alnum:]]\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nbr > july.jobs.2018 You can grep for the fields you are interested to have an idea. This is the data I grabbed on the 2nd around 14:00EST 79 python 71 frontend 63 backend 62 web 54 aws 39 fullstack 35 rails 34 devops 33 ruby 33 mobile 33 docker 32 react native 31 javascript 30 c 27 android 26 linux 25 scale 21 security 21 api 18 nodejs 15 postgresql 14 django 12 node 12 graphql 12 angular 11 golang
- abhishekjha 8y agoI got kind of jumbled text from the command: ` 2040 204 ]]]]reply 46 ]]]]]]reply 8 ]]]] 6 ]]]]what]we]offer 6 ]]][]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 5 ]]]]requirements 3 ]]]]qualifications 3 ]]]]keyvalues 2 ]]]]you 2 ]]]]would]you]like]to]run]oracle]plsql]on]a]postgresql]database]you]can]with`
- pmiller2 8y agoWhile we're discussing hiring trends, what's the state of the "full stack" meme? Is it really realistic to expect a developer to be an expert in frontend, backend, and database design? They'd need to be an expert in JS + whatever the framework of the week is, CSS, some backend language, and SQL. Increasingly, companies are adding significant DevOps skills to this list, too.
- cbanek 8y agoI feel like it can be realistic if that person has about 5-10+ years of experience and a lot of time on their hands to keep up on frameworks. But a junior level full stack person, probably not. Backend devs I find usually also do a fair bit of database work, at least at a basic level, and are usually where the devops work comes in (migrations, upgrades, keeping the system running). As experience grows, I think most people at least get a sprinkling of these different fields, even if they didn't intend to.
- pmiller2 8y agoThat sounds about right, and reflects my experience and expectations as a backend developer well.
- amorphous 8y agoNot taking anything away from this nice job and at the danger of saying something obvious I'd like to note that the HN job board is not representative of the whole IT market. It's a corner, an interesting one but when it comes to the question what skills provide the best overall career outlook in the long term for a developer the trends on HN are not necessarily the best predictor.