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Then get a list of the names of the corporations not the people. Maybe that can lead to a boycott, which is fine. It's kind of scary to start assembling lists

Then get a list of the names of the corporations not the people. Maybe that can lead to a boycott, which is fine. It's kind of scary to start assembling lists of peoples' names that are your opponents.

baybal2 8y ago
>assembling lists of peoples' names that are your opponents If you want to defeat your opponents, a great thing to do. Keep track of them. The best service you can give to an enemy, is to forget him. >My opponents are bad laws and bad ideas. Let's make lists of those. Don't you think that bad ideas are possessed by bad people? In my view of the world, the root of all good and bad are the people. People's deeds and ideas don't live separate lives from physical human beings having/doing them.
- jeffdavis 8y ago
  My opponents are bad laws and bad ideas. Let's make lists of those. Individual people may have both good ideas and bad ideas, and those may change over time. Lists of opponents' names are a really bad solution because they ignore the distinction between people and ideas.
  - ryandrake 8y ago
    Ideas can’t be shamed or ostracized. Ideas don’t respond to incentives. Ideas can’t engage in debate. Trying to fight ideas is futile without also opposing the people with boots on the ground implementing the ideas.
kabulykos 8y ago
What's scary about it? The risk individual (natural) persons might be rude to each other based on political opinions? Dude — already happening.
- musage 8y ago
  A faceless mob vs. a natural person is an entirely different thing, and is easily weaponized.
- Semiapies 8y ago
  Yes, like that guy was "rude" to several people on the staff of the Capital Gazette in Annapolis on June 28.
ryandrake 8y ago
Corporations don’t do things. People within corporations do things. You’re not going to get anywhere with a protest website that says: “BigMediaCorp is trying to take away your rights!” But, if it says “Mark Smith, VP Government Affairs at BigMediaCorp, who lives at 155 Spruce St., Los Angeles, leads the team that lobbies to take away your rights!” ...you’ve got a real person to oppose who does real things.
- squarefoot 8y ago
  I'd publish the name and maybe a small photo of the person so that he/she can get opinions by people he/she happens to see during the day, but adding any personal address would be like inviting criminals to stalk the person. No matter how much we hate those corrupt lowlives, we must fight them from within the law fence. Keep in mind that those people control most of the information sources, and those they don't control are mostly aligned on their side anyway, so it is safe to assume that everything will be used against us. A news announcement such as: "Activist burns politician's house. All safe including their loved puppy" (cue photos showing the puppy big sweet eyes) won't bring a single person to sympathize with the cause, but rather make even more enemies. This is a war where every move has to be planned with extreme care; hic sunt leones.
matheusmoreira 8y ago
Politicians don't really deserve any privacy. These people should be under public scrutiny at all times. This isn't some private company that you can choose not to do business with if you don't like it. They have the power to pass laws that will apply to everyone. People should keep track of them and denounce them publicly and loudly when they do things people don't like.

baybal2 8y ago

>assembling lists of peoples' names that are your opponents If you want to defeat your opponents, a great thing to do. Keep track of them. The best service you can give to an enemy, is to forget him. >My opponents are bad laws and bad ideas. Let's make lists of those. Don't you think that bad ideas are possessed by bad people? In my view of the world, the root of all good and bad are the people. People's deeds and ideas don't live separate lives from physical human beings having/doing them.

jeffdavis 8y ago
My opponents are bad laws and bad ideas. Let's make lists of those. Individual people may have both good ideas and bad ideas, and those may change over time. Lists of opponents' names are a really bad solution because they ignore the distinction between people and ideas.
- ryandrake 8y ago
  Ideas can’t be shamed or ostracized. Ideas don’t respond to incentives. Ideas can’t engage in debate. Trying to fight ideas is futile without also opposing the people with boots on the ground implementing the ideas.

kabulykos 8y ago

What's scary about it? The risk individual (natural) persons might be rude to each other based on political opinions? Dude — already happening.

musage 8y ago
A faceless mob vs. a natural person is an entirely different thing, and is easily weaponized.
Semiapies 8y ago
Yes, like that guy was "rude" to several people on the staff of the Capital Gazette in Annapolis on June 28.

ryandrake 8y ago

Corporations don’t do things. People within corporations do things. You’re not going to get anywhere with a protest website that says: “BigMediaCorp is trying to take away your rights!” But, if it says “Mark Smith, VP Government Affairs at BigMediaCorp, who lives at 155 Spruce St., Los Angeles, leads the team that lobbies to take away your rights!” ...you’ve got a real person to oppose who does real things.

squarefoot 8y ago
I'd publish the name and maybe a small photo of the person so that he/she can get opinions by people he/she happens to see during the day, but adding any personal address would be like inviting criminals to stalk the person. No matter how much we hate those corrupt lowlives, we must fight them from within the law fence. Keep in mind that those people control most of the information sources, and those they don't control are mostly aligned on their side anyway, so it is safe to assume that everything will be used against us. A news announcement such as: "Activist burns politician's house. All safe including their loved puppy" (cue photos showing the puppy big sweet eyes) won't bring a single person to sympathize with the cause, but rather make even more enemies. This is a war where every move has to be planned with extreme care; hic sunt leones.

matheusmoreira 8y ago

Politicians don't really deserve any privacy. These people should be under public scrutiny at all times. This isn't some private company that you can choose not to do business with if you don't like it. They have the power to pass laws that will apply to everyone. People should keep track of them and denounce them publicly and loudly when they do things people don't like.