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Would recommend to use an external device for Netflix (Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast, etc) and just block internet entirely from the TV.

ygra 8y ago
How is the privacy and data collection behavior of those external devices?
- swebs 8y ago
  >Apple doesn’t gather your personal information to sell to advertisers or other organizations. https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ >Roku Devices regularly upload usage information to Roku as part of their use. The collected information includes the specific identifiers of streams played, duration played, various quality measures, error logs, software version numbers, and other usage statistics. Usage information uploaded from Roku Devices is personally identifiable by product serial number. In some instances, serial numbers are associated with personally identifiable information to aid in customer service and support. https://soundbridge.roku.com/privacy/ https://soundbridge.roku.com/privacy/ >Lol https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en Also he didn't mention the Raspberry Pi by name, but Linux does not collect your information and you have complete control over everything it does.
  - unwiredben 8y ago
    That's a very old link to the Roku privacy policy from back before Roku had streaming video products. The current one is at https://docs.roku.com/doc/userprivacypolicy/en-us https://docs.roku.com/doc/userprivacypolicy/en-us
antsar 8y ago
Rather than blocking internet, you can just buy a TV without the spyware. Keywords: "Commercial Display", "Digital Signage", "Computer monitor". I've been happy with models from LG and NEC.
- dev_dull 8y ago
  That’s a hassle and you never know exactly what you’ll get. Commercial TVs also don’t go on sale like regular ones do. Better to use a smart, safe connected device from a manufacturer that won’t sell your data (Apple).
  - antsar 8y ago
    > you never know exactly what you’ll get What does that mean? These models have reviews online just like regular TVs (sure, maybe there are fewer data points), and the tech specs tend to be even more detailed.
  - namibj 8y ago
    Huh? Companies like Iiyama live on dumb screen for now at least well over a decade, judging by the age of hardware made by them still running (not 24x7 though, the CCFL backlight in the older ones would have given up).
- nicwolff 8y ago
  I spent double to get a commercial LG OLED retail display without smart features, and I'm delighted with it. But commercial displays generally don't offer 4K, or HDR, which home theater users have been told to want - or even CEC which is actually useful.
pdkl95 8y ago
> block internet entirely from the TV That may work with current TVs, but system-on-a-chip vendors have offered devices with LTE/etc baseband processors for several years. The only reason the TVs are still using your internet connection instead of the cellular networks is because nobody has spent the time negotiating for some sort off-peak bulk rate deal with the carriers. The precedent for that happening is OnStar; if the TV manufactures start to lose too much of their spyware revenue due to being blocked at the home LAN, they will simply bypass the problem. edit: my point is that the solution to this problem isn't technical. Political fixes (regulation) could solve the problem. Throwing people in jail for trespassing or harassment when they willfully appropriate private spaces without informed consent would also work.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  I hope they do that, I now have free data using their sim card, and I will abuse it.

ygra 8y ago

How is the privacy and data collection behavior of those external devices?

swebs 8y ago
>Apple doesn’t gather your personal information to sell to advertisers or other organizations. https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ >Roku Devices regularly upload usage information to Roku as part of their use. The collected information includes the specific identifiers of streams played, duration played, various quality measures, error logs, software version numbers, and other usage statistics. Usage information uploaded from Roku Devices is personally identifiable by product serial number. In some instances, serial numbers are associated with personally identifiable information to aid in customer service and support. https://soundbridge.roku.com/privacy/ https://soundbridge.roku.com/privacy/ >Lol https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en Also he didn't mention the Raspberry Pi by name, but Linux does not collect your information and you have complete control over everything it does.
- unwiredben 8y ago
  That's a very old link to the Roku privacy policy from back before Roku had streaming video products. The current one is at https://docs.roku.com/doc/userprivacypolicy/en-us https://docs.roku.com/doc/userprivacypolicy/en-us

antsar 8y ago

Rather than blocking internet, you can just buy a TV without the spyware. Keywords: "Commercial Display", "Digital Signage", "Computer monitor". I've been happy with models from LG and NEC.

dev_dull 8y ago
That’s a hassle and you never know exactly what you’ll get. Commercial TVs also don’t go on sale like regular ones do. Better to use a smart, safe connected device from a manufacturer that won’t sell your data (Apple).
- antsar 8y ago
  > you never know exactly what you’ll get What does that mean? These models have reviews online just like regular TVs (sure, maybe there are fewer data points), and the tech specs tend to be even more detailed.
- namibj 8y ago
  Huh? Companies like Iiyama live on dumb screen for now at least well over a decade, judging by the age of hardware made by them still running (not 24x7 though, the CCFL backlight in the older ones would have given up).
nicwolff 8y ago
I spent double to get a commercial LG OLED retail display without smart features, and I'm delighted with it. But commercial displays generally don't offer 4K, or HDR, which home theater users have been told to want - or even CEC which is actually useful.

pdkl95 8y ago

> block internet entirely from the TV That may work with current TVs, but system-on-a-chip vendors have offered devices with LTE/etc baseband processors for several years. The only reason the TVs are still using your internet connection instead of the cellular networks is because nobody has spent the time negotiating for some sort off-peak bulk rate deal with the carriers. The precedent for that happening is OnStar; if the TV manufactures start to lose too much of their spyware revenue due to being blocked at the home LAN, they will simply bypass the problem. edit: my point is that the solution to this problem isn't technical. Political fixes (regulation) could solve the problem. Throwing people in jail for trespassing or harassment when they willfully appropriate private spaces without informed consent would also work.

paulie_a 8y ago
I hope they do that, I now have free data using their sim card, and I will abuse it.