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But these same people support a political party that is in favor of capital punishment and against a larger social safety net. Where is the basic humanity in th

But these same people support a political party that is in favor of capital punishment and against a larger social safety net. Where is the basic humanity in the state murdering someone or a person dying for lack of healthcare?

ModernMech 8y ago
Also missing in this context is the same group who wants to make abortions illegal also wants to reduce access to contraception, sex education (abstinence only) and healthcare for women. If you honestly want to reduce abortions, all of the above ha e shown to work. The one thing that doesn't work to reduce abortions is to make it illegal. Rich people just have abortions elsewhere, while everyone else who really wants one does it anyway illegally.
colemannugent 8y ago
There are plenty of people who are pro-life, against capital punishment, and for a reliable social safety net. The two American political parties exist only paper; I've never met someone who agreed with 100% of their parties platform. That being said, someone having one wrong belief does not automatically invalidate all of their other arguments. For example, Albert Einstein wrote several racist remarks in his travel journal while he traveled Asia. That does not invalidate any of the science he pioneered.
- moorhosj 8y ago
  I believe it does invalidate their opinion on abortion when they are using “basic humanity” as their reasoning. Some unrelated example about Einstein and racism doesn’t really address that hypocrisy. Not to mention that this same political party isn’t practicing “basic humanity” in their border policy or towards journalists. It’s ok to call out the hypocrisy. Crying “basic humanity” isn’t (and shouldn’t be) a get-out-of-jail-free card.
harimau777 8y ago
I'm not saying it's necessarily the correct view, but I don't see any reason that a logically consistent political view can't be prolife, support capital punishment, and opposed to a larger social safety net. For example: A person who believes that the punishment should be calibrated to pay back the damage a crime does and concludes that life is so valuable that the only "payment" that a murderer can make to balance the scales is their own life. A person views actively taking someone's life in abortion as different from not providing a social safety net that preserves someone's life.
davrosthedalek 8y ago
Again, black or white, pro or against, no compromise. Why do you assume that people who are not pro-abortion-in-all-circumstances support Republicans?
- moorhosj 8y ago
  Nobody said anything similar to "pro-abortion-in-all-circumstances" except you. I never assumed anything, simply pointed out the reality the many people who are claiming "pro-life" or "basic humanity" seem to be using that as a shield and do not practice it in other forms. It's ironic how you want me to accept your nuance, but you eliminate any nuance from my perspective. It speaks to how you view your opinions versus other's opinions.
Godel_unicode 8y ago
You're aware that you are not answering the question, and this is just whataboutism, yes?
dang 8y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into political flamewar. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ModernMech 8y ago

Also missing in this context is the same group who wants to make abortions illegal also wants to reduce access to contraception, sex education (abstinence only) and healthcare for women. If you honestly want to reduce abortions, all of the above ha e shown to work. The one thing that doesn't work to reduce abortions is to make it illegal. Rich people just have abortions elsewhere, while everyone else who really wants one does it anyway illegally.

colemannugent 8y ago

There are plenty of people who are pro-life, against capital punishment, and for a reliable social safety net. The two American political parties exist only paper; I've never met someone who agreed with 100% of their parties platform. That being said, someone having one wrong belief does not automatically invalidate all of their other arguments. For example, Albert Einstein wrote several racist remarks in his travel journal while he traveled Asia. That does not invalidate any of the science he pioneered.

moorhosj 8y ago
I believe it does invalidate their opinion on abortion when they are using “basic humanity” as their reasoning. Some unrelated example about Einstein and racism doesn’t really address that hypocrisy. Not to mention that this same political party isn’t practicing “basic humanity” in their border policy or towards journalists. It’s ok to call out the hypocrisy. Crying “basic humanity” isn’t (and shouldn’t be) a get-out-of-jail-free card.

harimau777 8y ago

I'm not saying it's necessarily the correct view, but I don't see any reason that a logically consistent political view can't be prolife, support capital punishment, and opposed to a larger social safety net. For example: A person who believes that the punishment should be calibrated to pay back the damage a crime does and concludes that life is so valuable that the only "payment" that a murderer can make to balance the scales is their own life. A person views actively taking someone's life in abortion as different from not providing a social safety net that preserves someone's life.

davrosthedalek 8y ago

Again, black or white, pro or against, no compromise. Why do you assume that people who are not pro-abortion-in-all-circumstances support Republicans?

moorhosj 8y ago
Nobody said anything similar to "pro-abortion-in-all-circumstances" except you. I never assumed anything, simply pointed out the reality the many people who are claiming "pro-life" or "basic humanity" seem to be using that as a shield and do not practice it in other forms. It's ironic how you want me to accept your nuance, but you eliminate any nuance from my perspective. It speaks to how you view your opinions versus other's opinions.

Godel_unicode 8y ago

You're aware that you are not answering the question, and this is just whataboutism, yes?

dang 8y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into political flamewar. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html