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> Your inflated health care bills helped pay for the 280k average salary of physicians (source: https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-compensation-overvie...

> Your inflated health care bills helped pay for the 280k average salary of physicians (source: https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-compensation-overvie... https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-compensation-overvie...), which is over 2x as high as Western european doctors' salary. I doubt that's the majority of the massive cost difference. > For instance: Western european doctors do not need a 4-year bachelors degree just to _enter_ medical school. Don't know where you are basing this but in France, Pharmacist is High School Diploma + 6 years or + 9 year depending on the specialty. So you get out at 24 or 27 year old (best scenario), I doubt that's longer in the US or otherwise there's a big problem there.

arethuza 8y ago
Entry to both medical school and law school is usually done straight from high school in the UK.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  Right, and it's two years longer than American medical school, as it's essentially combining the undergrad and the graduate into one program.
- realusername 8y ago
  Same in France, I guess the US is structured differently but overall it's probably the same amount of years. I doubt they study more than 6 or 9 years after high school or otherwise it's a bit too long.
  - sol_remmy 8y ago
    Post-high school schooling for a standard family doctor (one of the lowest paid doctors): 4 years bachelors + 4 years medical school + 3 years residency = 11 years post-high school education.
    - realusername 8y ago
      Ah yeah, there's maybe something wrong there then, it's a bit too long I think. For a standard doctor, it's 9 years in France and it's already quite long.
    - arethuza 8y ago
      Seems to be between 9 and 12 years after high school for a GP in the UK: https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/length-training https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/lengt...
      - sol_remmy 8y ago
        Except, in the UK, med school graduates at age 22 are "junior doctors" and are getting paid starting Year 5 (first year of foundational school) UK: Start getting paid year 5 USA: Start getting paid year 9 Big difference

arethuza 8y ago

Entry to both medical school and law school is usually done straight from high school in the UK.

ceejayoz 8y ago
Right, and it's two years longer than American medical school, as it's essentially combining the undergrad and the graduate into one program.
realusername 8y ago
Same in France, I guess the US is structured differently but overall it's probably the same amount of years. I doubt they study more than 6 or 9 years after high school or otherwise it's a bit too long.
- sol_remmy 8y ago
  Post-high school schooling for a standard family doctor (one of the lowest paid doctors): 4 years bachelors + 4 years medical school + 3 years residency = 11 years post-high school education.
  - realusername 8y ago
    Ah yeah, there's maybe something wrong there then, it's a bit too long I think. For a standard doctor, it's 9 years in France and it's already quite long.
  - arethuza 8y ago
    Seems to be between 9 and 12 years after high school for a GP in the UK: https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/length-training https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/lengt...
    - sol_remmy 8y ago
      Except, in the UK, med school graduates at age 22 are "junior doctors" and are getting paid starting Year 5 (first year of foundational school) UK: Start getting paid year 5 USA: Start getting paid year 9 Big difference