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> > Google, youtube, eBay, etc., etc. have been doing this for years without "killing the internet". > Google has the infrastructure and resources to do so wit

> > Google, youtube, eBay, etc., etc. have been doing this for years without "killing the internet". > Google has the infrastructure and resources to do so with YouTube, going out of its way to detect copyright infringement and to react automatically to take down notices. Smaller players don't have Google's resources. Worse, even Google sucks at it. There are so many original creators whose youtube video get slapped ads on because someone else used their music in a Youtube video before the original author did. Google wrote a fully automated, non-appealable copyright judge and jury. This is scary shit! I don't understand how anyone can look at stuff like that and think "wow, awesome, we need more of that!"

glogla 8y ago
> Google wrote a fully automated, non-appealable copyright judge and jury. And executioner. Because they remove accounts over this.
- skrebbel 8y ago
  I'm not sure the analogy extends that far. Sure, Google auto-vaporizes accounts and that's terrible, but they'd do that too if they didn't have Content ID. It's not very related to copyright anymore, just to The Google Suck.
tluyben2 8y ago
I am not a big fan of government meddling, but when companies are so crucial for so many people I am starting (maybe it's me getting older) to think it would be a good thing if there would be special rules made for companies like that. If 100s of millions of people use your product, it kind of be becomes a common good; I don't say it should be gov owned, but some law that they cannot, without recourse other than expensive trials which you won't win, remove something of yours and then not answer the phone. I know too many people who gambled on facebook, google, oracle(yes...) and others for their livelihood; invested their time and money into it just to get tossed out by a not very good algorithm. I am one of those, but in hindsight I am actually happy about it; it taught me never to have anything depend on any company where I cannot directly contact the CEO or CTO for business. It helps my current company a great deal to work like that; every company we work with, I can pick up the phone and call a c-level exec. Guess what; we almost never have to.
- skrebbel 8y ago
  That's interesting! If I may ask, where do you host your email? And where do you hose your product? And do you use services like Intercom, GitHub, Basecamp, Trello, whatever? Curious about your choices with stuff like this.

glogla 8y ago

> Google wrote a fully automated, non-appealable copyright judge and jury. And executioner. Because they remove accounts over this.

skrebbel 8y ago
I'm not sure the analogy extends that far. Sure, Google auto-vaporizes accounts and that's terrible, but they'd do that too if they didn't have Content ID. It's not very related to copyright anymore, just to The Google Suck.

tluyben2 8y ago

I am not a big fan of government meddling, but when companies are so crucial for so many people I am starting (maybe it's me getting older) to think it would be a good thing if there would be special rules made for companies like that. If 100s of millions of people use your product, it kind of be becomes a common good; I don't say it should be gov owned, but some law that they cannot, without recourse other than expensive trials which you won't win, remove something of yours and then not answer the phone. I know too many people who gambled on facebook, google, oracle(yes...) and others for their livelihood; invested their time and money into it just to get tossed out by a not very good algorithm. I am one of those, but in hindsight I am actually happy about it; it taught me never to have anything depend on any company where I cannot directly contact the CEO or CTO for business. It helps my current company a great deal to work like that; every company we work with, I can pick up the phone and call a c-level exec. Guess what; we almost never have to.

skrebbel 8y ago
That's interesting! If I may ask, where do you host your email? And where do you hose your product? And do you use services like Intercom, GitHub, Basecamp, Trello, whatever? Curious about your choices with stuff like this.