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First #GDPR, now #Uploadfilter... What is next? A totally censored internet? The EU is becoming more and more absurd with its regulations that do nothing but h

First #GDPR, now #Uploadfilter... What is next? A totally censored internet? The EU is becoming more and more absurd with its regulations that do nothing but hinder technological advancement. Already way behind than the East Asian countries as well the US and Canada...

aepiepaey 8y ago
Why bring GDPR into this? Unlike the upload filter it's actually good for regular people (though not so much for certain corporations).
- superkuh 8y ago
  Your assumption here is that regular people need to have their bad decisions to use shit services mitigated by government using threats of violence. It is bad for people. It allows them to keep using bad, centralized, censoring, services without acknowledging the problems that causes. It prevents alternatives from springing up both indirectly because they can continue to make bad choices without consequence, and directly because the heavy new regulatory load makes start-ups harder and gives giant corps (and their giant legal teams) an advantage. Additionally, you imply that regular people are not impacted. People are businesses. They don't stop being regular people when they run a business.
  - scrollaway 8y ago
    GDPR is the sole reason I'm actually able to delete accounts reliably on every website I visit. That I'm actually able to retrieve my username from websites where I previously had deleted my account but where I want to recreate it (cf. https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1011637415893766144 https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1011637415893766144). It's actually served me to know why some company I've never heard about has my personal data on file. It's empowered me to ask them what they have on me, and to tell them to fuck off with it if I don't like it. GDPR is fucking amazing and as a business owner impacted by GDPR, I am proud to comply with it. Just as many people are proud to pay their taxes because of what is done with them. Edit: Depressing to see people are downvoting real world experience in favour of FUD.
    - superkuh 8y ago
      You kind of ignored and then proved my point. Instead of not using services that are bad you keep using them but instead abstract away your violence and let the government hold them at gunpoint on your new terms.
      - scrollaway 8y ago
        You do realize that you don't have to use a service for them to have data on you? You also do realize that not everyone has options? That sometimes you don't have a choice if you want to achieve something, there's no alternative? And what kind of logic is this? Should we get rid of health&safety regulations since people would just not go to the pizzerias where employees don't wash their hands after wiping their arses? And where did these "threats of violence" come from?
        superkuh 8y ago
        You do realize you don't have to browse the web with javascript and other tracking features enabled? You also do realize that life's not an equal playing field and everyone is not equal in all aspects? I can't fix my car without paying someone to do it. Some people can't use the web properly. It's a tradeoff. It's straightforward logic. You don't need to use Facebook. They have no obligation to provide you service. Even if you do use it there's no threat to your health or wellbeing (unlike bad food preparation hygine). The threats of violence are from the government. If you don't pay their fines, say, if you refuse to be a slave and be forced into providing services to people on terms set by others, they will come at you with violence.
franciscop 8y ago
I live in Japan and I'd love for some of the privacy laws to come over here! Many things are absurd like being required by law to hand medical records to your company.
midasz 8y ago
GDPR is good and this is not Twitter.
- pabloski 8y ago
  In fact Twitter is one of the few who CAN comply with GDPR, because it costs big ( very big ) money to comply.
- throwaway37585 8y ago
  > GDPR is good GDPR is bad. See what I did?
- hmd_imputer 8y ago
  sorry for hurting your feelings. I had tweeted it before and thought it was quite relevant to the post so I shared it here as well. If a couple of hashtags bother you, you should re-evaluate your priorities in life.
FranzFerdiNaN 8y ago
GDPR is really cool and good and does nothing to hinder technological progress, except not allowing massive privacy infringements.
- Matticus_Rex 8y ago
  Except for the large overhead costs it imposes. Anyone who thinks the GDPR is only costly to companies that were misusing data hasn't had much contact with the GDPR in the context of a business that's not absurdly simple (and most businesses aren't absurdly simple).
  - scrollaway 8y ago
    My business is not absurdly simple. It's actually pretty complex. We've been respectful of privacy since day 1, although we weren't perfect so we did have to make some updates for GDPR (and I'm glad they were forced on us). It didn't take long. Couple weeks of work. I did them myself. Compliance documentation is what's needed: https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1014612906359615490 https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1014612906359615490 Edit: Depressing to see people are downvoting real world experience in favour of FUD.

aepiepaey 8y ago

Why bring GDPR into this? Unlike the upload filter it's actually good for regular people (though not so much for certain corporations).

superkuh 8y ago
Your assumption here is that regular people need to have their bad decisions to use shit services mitigated by government using threats of violence. It is bad for people. It allows them to keep using bad, centralized, censoring, services without acknowledging the problems that causes. It prevents alternatives from springing up both indirectly because they can continue to make bad choices without consequence, and directly because the heavy new regulatory load makes start-ups harder and gives giant corps (and their giant legal teams) an advantage. Additionally, you imply that regular people are not impacted. People are businesses. They don't stop being regular people when they run a business.
- scrollaway 8y ago
  GDPR is the sole reason I'm actually able to delete accounts reliably on every website I visit. That I'm actually able to retrieve my username from websites where I previously had deleted my account but where I want to recreate it (cf. https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1011637415893766144 https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1011637415893766144). It's actually served me to know why some company I've never heard about has my personal data on file. It's empowered me to ask them what they have on me, and to tell them to fuck off with it if I don't like it. GDPR is fucking amazing and as a business owner impacted by GDPR, I am proud to comply with it. Just as many people are proud to pay their taxes because of what is done with them. Edit: Depressing to see people are downvoting real world experience in favour of FUD.
  - superkuh 8y ago
    You kind of ignored and then proved my point. Instead of not using services that are bad you keep using them but instead abstract away your violence and let the government hold them at gunpoint on your new terms.
    - scrollaway 8y ago
      You do realize that you don't have to use a service for them to have data on you? You also do realize that not everyone has options? That sometimes you don't have a choice if you want to achieve something, there's no alternative? And what kind of logic is this? Should we get rid of health&safety regulations since people would just not go to the pizzerias where employees don't wash their hands after wiping their arses? And where did these "threats of violence" come from?
      - superkuh 8y ago
        You do realize you don't have to browse the web with javascript and other tracking features enabled? You also do realize that life's not an equal playing field and everyone is not equal in all aspects? I can't fix my car without paying someone to do it. Some people can't use the web properly. It's a tradeoff. It's straightforward logic. You don't need to use Facebook. They have no obligation to provide you service. Even if you do use it there's no threat to your health or wellbeing (unlike bad food preparation hygine). The threats of violence are from the government. If you don't pay their fines, say, if you refuse to be a slave and be forced into providing services to people on terms set by others, they will come at you with violence.

franciscop 8y ago

I live in Japan and I'd love for some of the privacy laws to come over here! Many things are absurd like being required by law to hand medical records to your company.

midasz 8y ago

GDPR is good and this is not Twitter.

pabloski 8y ago
In fact Twitter is one of the few who CAN comply with GDPR, because it costs big ( very big ) money to comply.
throwaway37585 8y ago
> GDPR is good GDPR is bad. See what I did?
hmd_imputer 8y ago
sorry for hurting your feelings. I had tweeted it before and thought it was quite relevant to the post so I shared it here as well. If a couple of hashtags bother you, you should re-evaluate your priorities in life.

FranzFerdiNaN 8y ago

GDPR is really cool and good and does nothing to hinder technological progress, except not allowing massive privacy infringements.

Matticus_Rex 8y ago
Except for the large overhead costs it imposes. Anyone who thinks the GDPR is only costly to companies that were misusing data hasn't had much contact with the GDPR in the context of a business that's not absurdly simple (and most businesses aren't absurdly simple).
- scrollaway 8y ago
  My business is not absurdly simple. It's actually pretty complex. We've been respectful of privacy since day 1, although we weren't perfect so we did have to make some updates for GDPR (and I'm glad they were forced on us). It didn't take long. Couple weeks of work. I did them myself. Compliance documentation is what's needed: https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1014612906359615490 https://twitter.com/Adys/status/1014612906359615490 Edit: Depressing to see people are downvoting real world experience in favour of FUD.