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It's funny you should mention The World Cup, FIFA are hugely annoying when it comes to copyright. It's only just making the normal news[0], but their pettiness

It's funny you should mention The World Cup, FIFA are hugely annoying when it comes to copyright. It's only just making the normal news[0], but their pettiness has plagued the sharing of small clips and highlights. Do they really want me to wait for an incident to be televised before I can discuss it online? Should I have to track down specific moments in a game using my own recording in order to be able to discuss it? FIFA, the World's Most Corrupt Organisation™, should realise that fans enjoying and discussing their events adds a lot of value and will drive more viewers. [0] https://inews.co.uk/video/fifa-delete-twitter-video-of-boy-celebrating-world-cup-goal/ https://inews.co.uk/video/fifa-delete-twitter-video-of-boy-c...

Already__Taken 8y ago
FIA are pretty in the dark ages with F1 too. FE is slightly different and seems to be where they're experimenting. GTE is getting better too.
- wattengard 8y ago
  And don't even mention the Olympics! No ... seriously ... don't mention them ... You'll get sued.
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- doikor 8y ago
  FIA doesn’t hold the commercial rights to F1 so everything related to clips etc is not handled by them. This has been getting better in F1 too after Liberty Media bought the commercial rights from Bernie. Formula One Group being be entity that holds the rights and was sold to Liberty Media for 4.4 billion in 2016.
- michaelscott 8y ago
  F1 hasn't been too bad; you can access live recordings of the Grand Prix, race highlights and sometimes even links through to third party retrospectives through their Youtube channel.
  - sundvor 8y ago
    It was bad enough for me to lose interest in the sport. That, and the crap Vettel pulled to get past Webber in Malaysia in ... 2013? How time flies..!
  - vesinisa 8y ago
    Yeah sure - I bet if you live in a region where no company has bought exclusive television rights to F1. In my country, a pay channel owns exclusive rights to all F1 broadcasting, so all official F1 content on YouTube etc. is simply blocked here (shows the infamous "This content is not available in your country" error.) They have gone to great lengths to ensure the only way I can view live F1 GPs legally is to pay 25€/mon subscription to the cable company. If I had a choice, I would actually be happy to subscribe to UK's Sky Sports F1 channel, who for 20€/mon have much more extensive coverage of the whole GP weekend, with world-class commentators in studio and on track-side, including retired F1 drivers' title holders. The cable company broadcasting in my country has lower quality and less content, so I don't feel like paying them each month more than I pay to my ISP. But of course, due to the very same geo-blocking rules, Sky Sports F1 is unable to sell their subscription to my country, because they only have rights for UK broadcasting. Same thing applies to Netflix etc., where some content may be available in one EU country but not in another. This is actually a violation of the EU's core single market principle (customers should be able to freely procure services from providers in any EU country, not just providers in their home country). And a few years ago, the EU Parliament was actually bullish about abolishing the whole practice of digital content geo-blocking within EU.[1] They eventually did pass new digital market regulations, but of course the content industry was able to water it down so that it doesn't actually apply to them at all![2] [1]: https://torrentfreak.com/europe-will-abolish-geo-blocking-and-other-copyright-restrictions-150506/ https://torrentfreak.com/europe-will-abolish-geo-blocking-an... [2]: https://juliareda.eu/2018/02/eu-did-not-end-geoblocking/ https://juliareda.eu/2018/02/eu-did-not-end-geoblocking/
dingaling 8y ago
If FIFA are so uptight about copyright, why continue to support them by consuming and discussing their 'product'? Go out and create your own content. Until that becomes predominant they have no reason to care. And frankly neither do I; it has never been easier to make videos, take photos, make podcasts and broadcast them. This whole copyright-law furore has really highlighted the entitled attitude of most Internet users nowadays.
- Quarrelsome 8y ago
  information transmission is free and painless and this cat is out of the bag. Why waste time trying the flawed process of trying to force it back in? Just seems like a waste of time and an industry trying to undo something that cannot be undone. Feels rather King Knute. Moreover the flaws and processes they would introduce into the system by automated flagging and removing of content will be open to abuse as another automated system that creates a vector of attack. There's no need to build it.
- petepete 8y ago
  > If FIFA are so uptight about copyright, why continue to support them by consuming and discussing their 'product'? Make my own international football sporting competition? Or buy tickets and stream on Periscope, a practice that is heavily frowned upon and The Premier League are actively looking to ban. Anyway, the reason I hold my viewpoint is that FIFA are meant to be a non-profit organisation. They are meant to exist for the good of the game; to most people that means the more people watching, playing, engaging with and talking about it, the better. It's clear that over the last thirty or forty years FIFA officials became more interested about lining their pockets. That's how Russia and Qatar managed to buy World Cups; it's how decision makers at every level received bungs and suitcases full of cash; it's how FIFA's rights management division went on the warpath; it's even responsible for the swathes of empty 'VIP' seats you see in prime positions at high profile games (even more after half time while prawn sandwiches are on sale in the exclusive bar). It's disgusting behaviour, they need to get back to their original ethos and allow the game to flourish.
  - Pica_soO 8y ago
johannes1234321 8y ago
> Do they really want me to wait for an incident to be televised before I can discuss it online? Yes. They sold the exclusive right for lot's of money. In some countries even with a Multi-Laser approach where one station is allowed to transmit live and another station is the first one being allowed to use snippets for summaries. > Should I have to track down specific moments in a game using my own recording in order to be able to discuss it? No. You are not supposed to track it. You are supposed to see the programs so they get high ratings and refinance their license. That's how the deal works and it's a constant battle, whether this is a private entertainment event or something of newsworthy character ... intermixed with international copyright law.
- petepete 8y ago
  > No. You are not supposed to track it. You are supposed to see the programs so they get high ratings and refinance their license. That's the thing though, I do watch the games live. I also like to follow and discuss key events on Reddit match threads (which are fantastic, informative, funny and insightful). They wouldn't be possible without easily accessible clips; there are no official alternatives and with the rights situation the way there are, it's unlikely to happen legally (even with a fee) any time soon. FIFA (and UEFA, and the FA) are simply unable to compete without rethinking the way their licencing works. They are simply being left behind.
  - johannes1234321 8y ago
    > They wouldn't be possible without easily accessible clips; there are no official alternatives and with the rights situation the way there are, it's unlikely to happen legally (even with a fee) any time soon. This is not true for Germany and maybe other national license holders. In Germany the public broadcasters ARD and ZDF have the whole matches and summaries online for free (i.e. https://www.sportschau.de/fifa-wm-2018/video/index.html https://www.sportschau.de/fifa-wm-2018/video/index.html ) But that's geo-blocked from other countries as they only have a national license. At least over here streaming is a large part of this (best way to reach people in offices for matches in the afternoon) and they pay a lot of money for that to FIFA, where FIFA then ensures the exclusivity. It ain't nice and too much money involved to really free that up.
djrogers 8y ago
This is one (of many) areas where the NBA has done it right. Social media, clip sharing, fan produced highlight reels on YouTube - all good. No surprise that the NBA is huge and fast growing in younger demographics!
Antifragile1 8y ago
You don't have to watch retards playing with their balls? Why do you?

Already__Taken 8y ago

FIA are pretty in the dark ages with F1 too. FE is slightly different and seems to be where they're experimenting. GTE is getting better too.

wattengard 8y ago
And don't even mention the Olympics! No ... seriously ... don't mention them ... You'll get sued.
- deleted 8y ago
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doikor 8y ago
FIA doesn’t hold the commercial rights to F1 so everything related to clips etc is not handled by them. This has been getting better in F1 too after Liberty Media bought the commercial rights from Bernie. Formula One Group being be entity that holds the rights and was sold to Liberty Media for 4.4 billion in 2016.
michaelscott 8y ago
F1 hasn't been too bad; you can access live recordings of the Grand Prix, race highlights and sometimes even links through to third party retrospectives through their Youtube channel.
- sundvor 8y ago
  It was bad enough for me to lose interest in the sport. That, and the crap Vettel pulled to get past Webber in Malaysia in ... 2013? How time flies..!
- vesinisa 8y ago
  Yeah sure - I bet if you live in a region where no company has bought exclusive television rights to F1. In my country, a pay channel owns exclusive rights to all F1 broadcasting, so all official F1 content on YouTube etc. is simply blocked here (shows the infamous "This content is not available in your country" error.) They have gone to great lengths to ensure the only way I can view live F1 GPs legally is to pay 25€/mon subscription to the cable company. If I had a choice, I would actually be happy to subscribe to UK's Sky Sports F1 channel, who for 20€/mon have much more extensive coverage of the whole GP weekend, with world-class commentators in studio and on track-side, including retired F1 drivers' title holders. The cable company broadcasting in my country has lower quality and less content, so I don't feel like paying them each month more than I pay to my ISP. But of course, due to the very same geo-blocking rules, Sky Sports F1 is unable to sell their subscription to my country, because they only have rights for UK broadcasting. Same thing applies to Netflix etc., where some content may be available in one EU country but not in another. This is actually a violation of the EU's core single market principle (customers should be able to freely procure services from providers in any EU country, not just providers in their home country). And a few years ago, the EU Parliament was actually bullish about abolishing the whole practice of digital content geo-blocking within EU.[1] They eventually did pass new digital market regulations, but of course the content industry was able to water it down so that it doesn't actually apply to them at all![2] [1]: https://torrentfreak.com/europe-will-abolish-geo-blocking-and-other-copyright-restrictions-150506/ https://torrentfreak.com/europe-will-abolish-geo-blocking-an... [2]: https://juliareda.eu/2018/02/eu-did-not-end-geoblocking/ https://juliareda.eu/2018/02/eu-did-not-end-geoblocking/

dingaling 8y ago

If FIFA are so uptight about copyright, why continue to support them by consuming and discussing their 'product'? Go out and create your own content. Until that becomes predominant they have no reason to care. And frankly neither do I; it has never been easier to make videos, take photos, make podcasts and broadcast them. This whole copyright-law furore has really highlighted the entitled attitude of most Internet users nowadays.

Quarrelsome 8y ago
information transmission is free and painless and this cat is out of the bag. Why waste time trying the flawed process of trying to force it back in? Just seems like a waste of time and an industry trying to undo something that cannot be undone. Feels rather King Knute. Moreover the flaws and processes they would introduce into the system by automated flagging and removing of content will be open to abuse as another automated system that creates a vector of attack. There's no need to build it.
petepete 8y ago
> If FIFA are so uptight about copyright, why continue to support them by consuming and discussing their 'product'? Make my own international football sporting competition? Or buy tickets and stream on Periscope, a practice that is heavily frowned upon and The Premier League are actively looking to ban. Anyway, the reason I hold my viewpoint is that FIFA are meant to be a non-profit organisation. They are meant to exist for the good of the game; to most people that means the more people watching, playing, engaging with and talking about it, the better. It's clear that over the last thirty or forty years FIFA officials became more interested about lining their pockets. That's how Russia and Qatar managed to buy World Cups; it's how decision makers at every level received bungs and suitcases full of cash; it's how FIFA's rights management division went on the warpath; it's even responsible for the swathes of empty 'VIP' seats you see in prime positions at high profile games (even more after half time while prawn sandwiches are on sale in the exclusive bar). It's disgusting behaviour, they need to get back to their original ethos and allow the game to flourish.
- Pica_soO 8y ago

johannes1234321 8y ago

> Do they really want me to wait for an incident to be televised before I can discuss it online? Yes. They sold the exclusive right for lot's of money. In some countries even with a Multi-Laser approach where one station is allowed to transmit live and another station is the first one being allowed to use snippets for summaries. > Should I have to track down specific moments in a game using my own recording in order to be able to discuss it? No. You are not supposed to track it. You are supposed to see the programs so they get high ratings and refinance their license. That's how the deal works and it's a constant battle, whether this is a private entertainment event or something of newsworthy character ... intermixed with international copyright law.

petepete 8y ago
> No. You are not supposed to track it. You are supposed to see the programs so they get high ratings and refinance their license. That's the thing though, I do watch the games live. I also like to follow and discuss key events on Reddit match threads (which are fantastic, informative, funny and insightful). They wouldn't be possible without easily accessible clips; there are no official alternatives and with the rights situation the way there are, it's unlikely to happen legally (even with a fee) any time soon. FIFA (and UEFA, and the FA) are simply unable to compete without rethinking the way their licencing works. They are simply being left behind.
- johannes1234321 8y ago
  > They wouldn't be possible without easily accessible clips; there are no official alternatives and with the rights situation the way there are, it's unlikely to happen legally (even with a fee) any time soon. This is not true for Germany and maybe other national license holders. In Germany the public broadcasters ARD and ZDF have the whole matches and summaries online for free (i.e. https://www.sportschau.de/fifa-wm-2018/video/index.html https://www.sportschau.de/fifa-wm-2018/video/index.html ) But that's geo-blocked from other countries as they only have a national license. At least over here streaming is a large part of this (best way to reach people in offices for matches in the afternoon) and they pay a lot of money for that to FIFA, where FIFA then ensures the exclusivity. It ain't nice and too much money involved to really free that up.

djrogers 8y ago

This is one (of many) areas where the NBA has done it right. Social media, clip sharing, fan produced highlight reels on YouTube - all good. No surprise that the NBA is huge and fast growing in younger demographics!

Antifragile1 8y ago

You don't have to watch retards playing with their balls? Why do you?