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Novichok nerve agent strikes two new victims in the UK

50 points by ax00x 8y ago

the-dude 8y ago
Did it ever strike the first victims?
- codezero 8y ago
  Not sure what you mean? Are you saying in order to be a victim of an attack one must die? The previous victims may be alive but they are still victims.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  They're victims.. so yes, by definition, it did strike them.
ridgeguy 8y ago
Perhaps it could be helpful to fly a drone over Red Square, dispersing a spray with microdots that read: "This could have been Novichok, Tovarich. Stop it, already.".
black6 8y ago
Could be food poisoning from the same restaurant at which the Skripals ate. Nerve agents tend not to be so delayed or forgiving.
runciblespoon 8y ago
"The British Government's 'Novichok' Drama" http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-truth-about-skripal-dissenters-will-be-punished.html http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-trut...
simonblack 8y ago
Novichok is the most ineffective 'military-grade nerve agent' ever produced. 5 known victims, 5 survivors who have lived more than several days.
- codezero 8y ago
  I'm still on the fence about how far into the conspiracy theory land I'd go – but if you imagine that this nerve agent though, it could kill, in these instances, isn't meant to kill, but rather, to show force, and penetration. A "see what we could do" – with the understanding that they could use something more subtle than Novichok if they wanted to.
raprp 8y ago
Just before the Russian elections and the World Cup we have the first Novichok "attack". UK gov demands boycott of the world cup and all the news focus on Vlad "the Killer" Putin. Russia starts doing well on the world cup, Sweden changes its mind and won't boycott it, trump-putin meeting scheduled and.... Novichok again. It should be easy to see the BS of this narrative but the most amazing thing is that it works. People believe in it, demonize Russia and lose focus that the UK is miserably failing in the Brexit negotiations. I hope Russia does not win the World Cup because I'm sure we would see another "attack" directly ordered by Vlad The Terrible.

50 points by ax00x 8y ago

the-dude 8y ago

Did it ever strike the first victims?

codezero 8y ago
Not sure what you mean? Are you saying in order to be a victim of an attack one must die? The previous victims may be alive but they are still victims.
craftyguy 8y ago
They're victims.. so yes, by definition, it did strike them.

ridgeguy 8y ago

Perhaps it could be helpful to fly a drone over Red Square, dispersing a spray with microdots that read: "This could have been Novichok, Tovarich. Stop it, already.".

black6 8y ago

Could be food poisoning from the same restaurant at which the Skripals ate. Nerve agents tend not to be so delayed or forgiving.

runciblespoon 8y ago

"The British Government's 'Novichok' Drama" http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-truth-about-skripal-dissenters-will-be-punished.html http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-trut...

simonblack 8y ago

Novichok is the most ineffective 'military-grade nerve agent' ever produced. 5 known victims, 5 survivors who have lived more than several days.

codezero 8y ago
I'm still on the fence about how far into the conspiracy theory land I'd go – but if you imagine that this nerve agent though, it could kill, in these instances, isn't meant to kill, but rather, to show force, and penetration. A "see what we could do" – with the understanding that they could use something more subtle than Novichok if they wanted to.

raprp 8y ago

Just before the Russian elections and the World Cup we have the first Novichok "attack". UK gov demands boycott of the world cup and all the news focus on Vlad "the Killer" Putin. Russia starts doing well on the world cup, Sweden changes its mind and won't boycott it, trump-putin meeting scheduled and.... Novichok again. It should be easy to see the BS of this narrative but the most amazing thing is that it works. People believe in it, demonize Russia and lose focus that the UK is miserably failing in the Brexit negotiations. I hope Russia does not win the World Cup because I'm sure we would see another "attack" directly ordered by Vlad The Terrible.