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>What caused the police-state to raise up its ugly head? In this case, the justification was a website created to organize against a rally of an extreme right p
by demian00 8y ago
>What caused the police-state to raise up its ugly head? In this case, the justification was a website created to organize against a rally of an extreme right political party. It seems in Bavaria, you cannot make a website that tries to get people to come protest neo-fascists without also offending the police.
This is simply wrong. The website called for violence.
Also riseup is a communist organization.
- teamhappy 8y ago> The website called for violence. That's actually true. I don't know why both the CCC and Riseup feel the need to exclude that the website explicitly asked for violent protests. It doesn't change the fact that the raids were pointless and to some extend disproportionate. It sure is a good way to give up the moral high ground though.
- lainga 8y agoIt'd be dumb to give out ammo against their case, whether the point is legitimate or not.
- ColanR 8y agoWho's downvoting this? I don't see any unfactual or inappropriate statements.
- mikejb 8y agoInfluencing public perception by mass up-/downvoting is not a right-wing only strategy, it's in every extremists' arsenal.
- pcstl 8y agoPossibly the person who created an account literally named "communist" to comment on this.
- communist_ 8y agoNew users can't downvote.
- bwjsin 8y agoEverything is so fucked up now that fascists are bad but communists are good.
- sandov 8y agoThey're both the same crap.
- morsch 8y agoI see unsourced information (inciting violence; whether it's true or not is not my point[1]) and irrelevant information (what does it matter if they're communist, the implication being that it does, and that they're getting what's coming to them). The lack of a disclaimer otherwise also may be seen as tacit approval of the police raid. [1] This appears to be site in question: https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/ (German). At first glance it seems pretty tame. Maybe they changed it, I don't know. And of course the relation to raids is tenuous.
- demian00 8y agohttps://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/augsburg-fur-krawalltouristen/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/augsburg-fu... https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen... These are the article, which are problematic. First one calls for riot/turmoil ("Krawall"). Second one has instructions for violent protests.
- Arnt 8y agoIrrelevant slurs.
- communist_ 8y ago> Also riseup is a communist organization. Please donate here to support them: https://riseup.net/en/donate https://riseup.net/en/donate
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- rurban 8y agoWhich website called for violence? On rise-up I see only anti-violence and anti-authoritarian posts. riseup is for sure not a communist organization. It's anti-authoritarian and anti-fascist. Communists are very authoritarian. German police seems to be also very authoritarian and fascist friendly. They are multiple accounts of german courts and police actively protecting fascists, who are calling for violence. And targeting anti-fascists, who are criticising said violence.
- tomp 8y ago> The website called for violence Do you have the original website text/archive? > Also riseup is a communist organization. They appear to be pro-democracy, anti-authoritarianism.
- demian00 8y agohttps://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/augsburg-fur-krawalltouristen/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/augsburg-fu... https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen... These are the article, which are problematic. First one calls for riot/turmoil ("Krawall"). Second one has instructions for violent protests. They are using communist/socialists emblems. Their statements indicate that they do not like the current capitalist society and want to abolish it: "freedom from want"; "world without oppression or hierarchy, where power is shared equally" https://riseup.net/en/about-us https://riseup.net/en/about-us
- ygaf 8y agoDemocracy requires authority.
- imbokodo 8y ago> riseup is a communist organization The Communist Manifesto ends with the words "The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare..." Thus, to be a communist means to openly declare that you are a communist. Marx made this point elsewhere, as did subsequent communists. Of course, under state repression (like this) this convention is not expected to be followed blindly. If communists are being arrested in a country, communists are not expected to put up their hands and say "come get me too". But to be a communist means to openly be one when legally possible (with few exceptions - a handful of self-described communists like Ted Grant thought otherwise). Riseup.net does not describe itself as communist. In fact its about page says it stands against vanguardism, which in the milieu in which it sits means it is against Leninism. Which means they are not communist in any form modern people would understand.