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I walk into the shop, I see some newspapers with headlines on them, I decide to buy the paper, or I don't. If I don't I'm not 'stealing' anything. If a publis

I walk into the shop, I see some newspapers with headlines on them, I decide to buy the paper, or I don't. If I don't I'm not 'stealing' anything. If a publisher wants to show the headline story to prospective customers in the shop, it can -- google will display the headline, and if people are interested they'll click, just like they'll buy the newspaper in the shop if they want to read below the fold. If the person isn't interested they won't click / won't buy the paper. If the publisher doesn't want people in the shop seeing the headline, they put it inside their publiccation. Online they simply mark it as unavailable to google (robots.txt or whatever). Now if the argument is that search engines have no right to read your site and display the headlines without explicit invitation, I'd argue that operating a web server is the invitation to all, and robots.txt is the bouncer saying "you aren't allowed in". Google and other search engines obey robots.txt / the bouncer. User-agent: Googlebot Disallow: /belowthefold/

Angostura 8y ago
> I walk into the shop, I see some newspapers with headlines on them, I decide to buy the paper, or I don't. If I don't I'm not 'stealing' anything. Are you doing this on an industrial scale and building a large ad-supported business from it. More importantly, are you standing outside the shop saying 'don;t go in there, old chum - I can tell you what's going on'.
- isostatic 8y ago
  > More importantly, are you standing outside the shop saying 'don;t go in there, old chum - I can tell you what's going on'. Sure are. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3295/2365794657_6a9a3f2d19_b.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3295/2365794657_6a9a3f2d19_b.j... Why would I need to buy the News & Star, or even go into the shop, now I know what's happening? It's quite easy for a publication to not appear in the following section of google's site https://i.imgur.com/RoFQrN1.png https://i.imgur.com/RoFQrN1.png Either a simple robots.txt (a sign telling school kids they aren't allowed), or a username/password (members only), or even close the shop completely. The newspapers have headlines and the start of stories on display in shops, trying to attract passers by to their wears. You can even read the first few sentences of the cabinet meltdown in the telegraph, far more than you can on google, all without paying the newspaper owner, or indeed the shopkeeper, a penny. https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BBYXHY/english-newspapers-on-a-shelf-for-sale-in-a-uk-newsagents-shop-store-BBYXHY.jpg https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BBYXHY/english-newspapers-on-a-she... The headlines are put out there for everyone to see to entice people to come in and spend money. If the shop or newspaper proprietor doesn't want people reading the headlines without buying, they can not put them on display (robots.txt), or cover them up, like on these (ex) publications https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B4B6/production/_86726264_pa_lads.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B4B6/production/... What they can't do is charge people for looking at the headlines on the advertising board they put out in front of their shop.
  - Angostura 8y ago
    And that's fine. I think it is perfectly reasonable to have good display a headline and first sentence snippet. What isn't reasonsble is if Google were to mine the story for info and display the whole lot on their site, rather than on the newspaper's site.

Angostura 8y ago

> I walk into the shop, I see some newspapers with headlines on them, I decide to buy the paper, or I don't. If I don't I'm not 'stealing' anything. Are you doing this on an industrial scale and building a large ad-supported business from it. More importantly, are you standing outside the shop saying 'don;t go in there, old chum - I can tell you what's going on'.

isostatic 8y ago
> More importantly, are you standing outside the shop saying 'don;t go in there, old chum - I can tell you what's going on'. Sure are. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3295/2365794657_6a9a3f2d19_b.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3295/2365794657_6a9a3f2d19_b.j... Why would I need to buy the News & Star, or even go into the shop, now I know what's happening? It's quite easy for a publication to not appear in the following section of google's site https://i.imgur.com/RoFQrN1.png https://i.imgur.com/RoFQrN1.png Either a simple robots.txt (a sign telling school kids they aren't allowed), or a username/password (members only), or even close the shop completely. The newspapers have headlines and the start of stories on display in shops, trying to attract passers by to their wears. You can even read the first few sentences of the cabinet meltdown in the telegraph, far more than you can on google, all without paying the newspaper owner, or indeed the shopkeeper, a penny. https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BBYXHY/english-newspapers-on-a-shelf-for-sale-in-a-uk-newsagents-shop-store-BBYXHY.jpg https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BBYXHY/english-newspapers-on-a-she... The headlines are put out there for everyone to see to entice people to come in and spend money. If the shop or newspaper proprietor doesn't want people reading the headlines without buying, they can not put them on display (robots.txt), or cover them up, like on these (ex) publications https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B4B6/production/_86726264_pa_lads.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B4B6/production/... What they can't do is charge people for looking at the headlines on the advertising board they put out in front of their shop.
- Angostura 8y ago
  And that's fine. I think it is perfectly reasonable to have good display a headline and first sentence snippet. What isn't reasonsble is if Google were to mine the story for info and display the whole lot on their site, rather than on the newspaper's site.