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Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.

adrianN 8y ago
I think he means the website calling for people to disrupt the AFD party congress.
blattimwind 8y ago
I'm referring to the blog which is said to be the reason for all this. The blog is named "AUGSBURG für Krawalltouristen" and has the tagline "Den AfD-Bundesparteitag am 30.06./01.07.2018 angreifen!". Translated: "Augsburg for Hooligans: Attacking the AfD party conference on the 30.06/01.07.2018". "Krawalltouristen" specifically is a term that came up for the first time, I think, with the G20 protests last year. Hooligans might not be the most accurate translation; it essentially means people who travel somewhere specifically to participate in riots/vandalism/looting under a political pretence. If you know a more fitting description for a blog like this, please do comment.
- throwwwafgk 8y ago
  So the purpose of the blog is to inform about a political protest. I still think it's misleading to refer to it as hateblog, even if the organisers are militant or radical.
  - yorwba 8y ago
    The blog doesn't just "inform about political protest", it explicitly advocates for violence. Their primary motivation seems to be hate of the political right. As a leftist myself, I think that "leftist hateblog" is a pretty accurate description.
    - woah 8y ago
      We can get into word definition games here, but “hate” generally refers to a desire for the extermination or oppression of a group of people based on personal characteristics like race or ancestry. Conflating “hate” with any call for political violence is disingenuous and a sloppy attempt at bad faith rhetoric. Do you consider the New York Times a “hateblog” for their endorsement of political violence against the former government of Iraq?
      - wu-ikkyu 8y ago
        >Do you consider the New York Times a “hateblog” for their endorsement of political violence against the former government of Iraq? No, that's war mongering/yellow journalism by a mass media company, far worse and more destructive than a "hate blog"
      - ygaf 8y ago
        That definition of hate is a very recent construct, and trying to sweep the regular meaning under the rug makes you the disingenuous one.
  - clacke2 8y ago
    A quick look at https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen... shows me a paragraph that says throwing rocks is an old classic, please bring gloves, because rocks also carry fingerprints. I don't know if somebody is going to say that this is edgy triple-layer sarcasm, but its pretty clear to me that at least some readers of the site will take this as an endorsement of potentially lethal violence against political opponents. If you throw rocks at political opponents, you don't think they're just misguided and their policies unfortunate, you hate their guts. EDIT: The paragraph is explicitly about breaking windows, and say to be careful not to risk hitting people. So it's not about violence against individual people, but it's still violence, and illegal. And you don't break people's windows if you merely disagree with them.
- maze-le 8y ago
  "Krawalltouristen" (riot-tourists) has been a term for a long time before G20. Sometimes it is applied to radical left wing antifa groups, sometime for right wing exremist groups, but more often than not to moderate groups, who achieved to mobilize lots of people for a demonstration like "Attac".
- quakeguy 8y ago
  „Riottourism“ was used as term in english papers at the time of G20 iirc. As for naming such Blogs, „Riot Travel Agency“ seems fitting... ;)
reitanqild 8y ago
> Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here. Leftist doesn't mean liberal, peaceful etc. It means leaning to the left, afaik that usually means towards socialism and communism. For those who are either old enough or have read enough history there are plenty of examples of left leaning haters. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction Edit: added quote from parent post. I'd also like to point out that I'm not defending the police (or anyone else) just trying to correct a misunderstanding before it spreads even further.

I think he means the website calling for people to disrupt the AFD party congress.

I'm referring to the blog which is said to be the reason for all this. The blog is named "AUGSBURG für Krawalltouristen" and has the tagline "Den AfD-Bundesparteitag am 30.06./01.07.2018 angreifen!". Translated: "Augsburg for Hooligans: Attacking the AfD party conference on the 30.06/01.07.2018". "Krawalltouristen" specifically is a term that came up for the first time, I think, with the G20 protests last year. Hooligans might not be the most accurate translation; it essentially means people who travel somewhere specifically to participate in riots/vandalism/looting under a political pretence. If you know a more fitting description for a blog like this, please do comment.

throwwwafgk 8y ago
So the purpose of the blog is to inform about a political protest. I still think it's misleading to refer to it as hateblog, even if the organisers are militant or radical.
- yorwba 8y ago
  The blog doesn't just "inform about political protest", it explicitly advocates for violence. Their primary motivation seems to be hate of the political right. As a leftist myself, I think that "leftist hateblog" is a pretty accurate description.
  - woah 8y ago
    We can get into word definition games here, but “hate” generally refers to a desire for the extermination or oppression of a group of people based on personal characteristics like race or ancestry. Conflating “hate” with any call for political violence is disingenuous and a sloppy attempt at bad faith rhetoric. Do you consider the New York Times a “hateblog” for their endorsement of political violence against the former government of Iraq?
    - wu-ikkyu 8y ago
      >Do you consider the New York Times a “hateblog” for their endorsement of political violence against the former government of Iraq? No, that's war mongering/yellow journalism by a mass media company, far worse and more destructive than a "hate blog"
    - ygaf 8y ago
      That definition of hate is a very recent construct, and trying to sweep the regular meaning under the rug makes you the disingenuous one.
- clacke2 8y ago
  A quick look at https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen/ https://augsburgfuerkrawalltouristen.noblogs.org/anleitungen... shows me a paragraph that says throwing rocks is an old classic, please bring gloves, because rocks also carry fingerprints. I don't know if somebody is going to say that this is edgy triple-layer sarcasm, but its pretty clear to me that at least some readers of the site will take this as an endorsement of potentially lethal violence against political opponents. If you throw rocks at political opponents, you don't think they're just misguided and their policies unfortunate, you hate their guts. EDIT: The paragraph is explicitly about breaking windows, and say to be careful not to risk hitting people. So it's not about violence against individual people, but it's still violence, and illegal. And you don't break people's windows if you merely disagree with them.
maze-le 8y ago
"Krawalltouristen" (riot-tourists) has been a term for a long time before G20. Sometimes it is applied to radical left wing antifa groups, sometime for right wing exremist groups, but more often than not to moderate groups, who achieved to mobilize lots of people for a demonstration like "Attac".
quakeguy 8y ago
„Riottourism“ was used as term in english papers at the time of G20 iirc. As for naming such Blogs, „Riot Travel Agency“ seems fitting... ;)

reitanqild 8y ago

> Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here. Leftist doesn't mean liberal, peaceful etc. It means leaning to the left, afaik that usually means towards socialism and communism. For those who are either old enough or have read enough history there are plenty of examples of left leaning haters. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction Edit: added quote from parent post. I'd also like to point out that I'm not defending the police (or anyone else) just trying to correct a misunderstanding before it spreads even further.