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Wtf? The noise concerns were legitimate, and started in the UK, not America. Know your history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Concorde_Project https://en.

Wtf? The noise concerns were legitimate, and started in the UK, not America. Know your history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Concorde_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Concorde_Project

DocTomoe 8y ago
Yes, the first loonies were in the UK. Still, the Concorde operated out of Britain for four decades, and noone died.
- baxtr 8y ago
  True, no one dies because of high noise levels. Still, there is a spectrum of quality between good life and death, and it’s worth fighting for.
- cma 8y ago
  The noise pollution was an unpriced externality. The passengers were freeriding on everyone on the ground's peace of mind.
  - buserror 8y ago
    Instead, today, we got 3 times more flights, with lumbering planes that refuse to climb to their altitude to save fuel (and get the pilot a bonus) and instead of having ONE concorde a day and having to deal with it, there's a plane every 20 seconds. That all of these planes freeride everyone without 30 miles with their noise pollution. And all of it mostly for people who could use skype, like I do. PS: I live 15 miles from heathrow, I use to gently swear once daily about the concorde, now I swear every time I step out of the house.
    - x3n0ph3n3 8y ago
      Your math doesn't make any sense. How is a single Concorde flight supposed to replace a day of other planes arriving every 20 seconds?
      - ant6n 8y ago
        I guess the poster is proposing mobility only for the super rich?
    - isostatic 8y ago
      There are 7 departures to JFK alone from Heathrow between 8AM and noon today. I think there's about 20 flights a day overall. Had Concorde been in place, to remove just 1 of those flights would require at least 3 concorde flights in that time period.
    - isostatic 8y ago
      The total amount paid by a typical BA 747 from London to New York, with point-to-point passengers, is £32,214 -- government tax £13,428.09 -- Airport charges I believe the actual number of passengers originating in the UK and thus paying APD is about 70% of the flight, so thats about £22k in tax (APD). Airport charges remain the same (roughly, but in any case I think they go to Heathrow ltd) What value would you put on the externality of aircraft noise? Can't be that high -- houses under the heathrow flight path are far more valuable than the house I live in. [0] is literally under the flight path, half a mile from the end of the runway. [1] is far south of the airport and not going to have any planes overhead. I used to live a similar direction from Manchester airport, but far closer, and heard maybe 1 plane a month if it overshot the runway and had to go around and happened to go over me. [0] https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-71532077.html https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-71532... [1] https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-72601769.html https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-72601...
- oblio 8y ago
  I'm not sure about that. Places in the airplane take off path do get quite a bit of air pollution, they're generally not nice places to live in. With super sonic aircraft I imagine that would be much worse.
- garmaine 8y ago
  The concern was never people dying, that's a strawman. The concern was noise levels and the sanctity of peace and quiet. And for the record, the Concorde while flying out of the UK waited to be over the ocean before going supersonic. The noise wasn't really any different than a regular jet because it wasn't flying any faster than a regular jet.
  - timthorn 8y ago
    > The noise wasn't really any different than a regular jet because it wasn't flying any faster than a regular jet. It was if you were within 30 miles of Heathrow, on the flightpath. My school (18 miles from the airport) timed playtime so that Concorde didn't fly over during lessons, because teachers couldn't be heard over the noise of it taking off. It was very punctual, to the extent that it flying over was the trigger for the end of break. Very occasionally, we got an extended playtime... :)
    - hajo_s 8y ago
      I lived in Windsor. Fortunately Concorde didn't fly over our school very often (once a day?), but when it did our teacher would have to stop talking and we would all sit and wait for the noise to die down. It really was that loud. It was beautiful and I'd have liked to have flown in it, but I don't miss the noise.

Wtf? The noise concerns were legitimate, and started in the UK, not America. Know your history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Concorde_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Concorde_Project

DocTomoe 8y ago

Yes, the first loonies were in the UK. Still, the Concorde operated out of Britain for four decades, and noone died.

baxtr 8y ago
True, no one dies because of high noise levels. Still, there is a spectrum of quality between good life and death, and it’s worth fighting for.
cma 8y ago
The noise pollution was an unpriced externality. The passengers were freeriding on everyone on the ground's peace of mind.
- buserror 8y ago
  Instead, today, we got 3 times more flights, with lumbering planes that refuse to climb to their altitude to save fuel (and get the pilot a bonus) and instead of having ONE concorde a day and having to deal with it, there's a plane every 20 seconds. That all of these planes freeride everyone without 30 miles with their noise pollution. And all of it mostly for people who could use skype, like I do. PS: I live 15 miles from heathrow, I use to gently swear once daily about the concorde, now I swear every time I step out of the house.
  - x3n0ph3n3 8y ago
    Your math doesn't make any sense. How is a single Concorde flight supposed to replace a day of other planes arriving every 20 seconds?
    - ant6n 8y ago
      I guess the poster is proposing mobility only for the super rich?
  - isostatic 8y ago
    There are 7 departures to JFK alone from Heathrow between 8AM and noon today. I think there's about 20 flights a day overall. Had Concorde been in place, to remove just 1 of those flights would require at least 3 concorde flights in that time period.
  - isostatic 8y ago
    The total amount paid by a typical BA 747 from London to New York, with point-to-point passengers, is £32,214 -- government tax £13,428.09 -- Airport charges I believe the actual number of passengers originating in the UK and thus paying APD is about 70% of the flight, so thats about £22k in tax (APD). Airport charges remain the same (roughly, but in any case I think they go to Heathrow ltd) What value would you put on the externality of aircraft noise? Can't be that high -- houses under the heathrow flight path are far more valuable than the house I live in. [0] is literally under the flight path, half a mile from the end of the runway. [1] is far south of the airport and not going to have any planes overhead. I used to live a similar direction from Manchester airport, but far closer, and heard maybe 1 plane a month if it overshot the runway and had to go around and happened to go over me. [0] https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-71532077.html https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-71532... [1] https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-72601769.html https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-72601...
oblio 8y ago
I'm not sure about that. Places in the airplane take off path do get quite a bit of air pollution, they're generally not nice places to live in. With super sonic aircraft I imagine that would be much worse.
garmaine 8y ago
The concern was never people dying, that's a strawman. The concern was noise levels and the sanctity of peace and quiet. And for the record, the Concorde while flying out of the UK waited to be over the ocean before going supersonic. The noise wasn't really any different than a regular jet because it wasn't flying any faster than a regular jet.
- timthorn 8y ago
  > The noise wasn't really any different than a regular jet because it wasn't flying any faster than a regular jet. It was if you were within 30 miles of Heathrow, on the flightpath. My school (18 miles from the airport) timed playtime so that Concorde didn't fly over during lessons, because teachers couldn't be heard over the noise of it taking off. It was very punctual, to the extent that it flying over was the trigger for the end of break. Very occasionally, we got an extended playtime... :)
  - hajo_s 8y ago
    I lived in Windsor. Fortunately Concorde didn't fly over our school very often (once a day?), but when it did our teacher would have to stop talking and we would all sit and wait for the noise to die down. It really was that loud. It was beautiful and I'd have liked to have flown in it, but I don't miss the noise.