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>I would not trust any person who cheated on their spouse either. I would be careful about that, because that group includes the likes of Martin Luther King, J

>I would not trust any person who cheated on their spouse either. I would be careful about that, because that group includes the likes of Martin Luther King, Jr., Stephen Hawking, Einstein, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm inclined to feel the same way, and have ended personal relationships when I found out someone had cheated on their spouse, but some of history's greatest figures cheated on their spouse.

cm2012 8y ago
Trustworthy =/ World changing. People can have a net positive on the world and still regularly backstab acquaintances. See Steve Jobs.
- Consultant32452 8y ago
  I think, generally speaking, there are very few people who would consider Martin Luther King Jr., George Washington, etc. as "untrustworthy." Some historians suggest that "Honest Abe Lincoln" cheated on his wife with two men. What could trustworthy mean if historical archetypes of honesty and great morality are not considered trustworthy?
  - refoundglory 8y ago
    It means you can trust them to do things like not lie to you. What do you want it to mean?
  - bmarkovic 8y ago
    > What could trustworthy mean if historical archetypes of honesty and great morality are not considered trustworthy? What do the two concepts have in common at all? Trustworthy means he will not screw me over if, say, I were to borrow him money. That simply has nothing to do with "who the person" is but only with "what he is like in his personal relationships". Business relationships are very personal and greatly dependent on one's personality. In fact, the "greater" the person (in those historical, societal senses of the word) I'd actually be biased to trust them less even without any knowledge of their otherwise untrustiness.
steve19 8y ago
It doesn't mean they are bad people. Everyone makes mistakes. You can do business with someone you can't trust, just don't put yourself in a position where your life/business/career/happiness depends on them behaving.
- vostok 8y ago
  It doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad people, but it's certainly a good indication that they're bad people at least on a personal level. Of course this is assuming that they operated in an environment with the same ethics as my own.
  - merinowool 8y ago
    Men are not wired for monogamy. It is like saying you might be bad person because you breathe. In a relationship this is a mutual effort to resist those needs, but failing to do so doesn't make you bad.
    - bpizzi 8y ago
      Actually, cheating involves lying. A spouse is explicitly or at least implicitly expecting the other part no to lie about extra relations. If lying about those extra relations in this context doesn't makes you a bad person, then I don't know what is.
      - PakG1 8y ago
        Fair point. If I knew a couple in an open relationship, I'd be uncomfortable, but I wouldn't make a judgment on their integrity.
      - jiggunjer 8y ago
        Logical fallacy. Doing one bad thing does not make one a "bad person" if such a thing even exists. If the alternative is to break up a family so the cheater can be 'honest' with him-/herself, is a lie and a happy family worse than a broken family? Stop seeing things black and white.
mmsimanga 8y ago
The older I get the more I realise life is complicated. I get the need for us to strive to be the best we can be and to those around us but it ain't easy. Please don't get me wrong, imoral acts should be condemned but often I wonder when I reading wording on headlines whether the person killed 3 innocent people or had an affair.
- coatmatter 8y ago
  > imoral acts should be condemned What defines immorality and how should that condemnation take place?
  - mmsimanga 8y ago
    Ah you have hit the nail on the head. It's not just who defines morality, it is often also circumstances surrounding events that all combine to make life complicated. A man and a woman swear to be faithful to each other, then it is immoral to cheat on each other. The religion you follow also defines what is immoral and what isn't. There are also different ways to intepret religious passages. The reason I said life is complicated is because it is impossible to define immorality for everyone. There is also the issue of the law, what is legal may not be moral. Then they are personal circumstances. Is it immoral for an abused married woman/man to cheat? Everyone will have their own answer based on their beliefs. This is why life is complicated. It isn't as straightforward as media headlines we see.
jiggunjer 8y ago
Don't forget Schrödinger. Is there a correlation with being a physicist?

cm2012 8y ago

Trustworthy =/ World changing. People can have a net positive on the world and still regularly backstab acquaintances. See Steve Jobs.

Consultant32452 8y ago
I think, generally speaking, there are very few people who would consider Martin Luther King Jr., George Washington, etc. as "untrustworthy." Some historians suggest that "Honest Abe Lincoln" cheated on his wife with two men. What could trustworthy mean if historical archetypes of honesty and great morality are not considered trustworthy?
- refoundglory 8y ago
  It means you can trust them to do things like not lie to you. What do you want it to mean?
- bmarkovic 8y ago
  > What could trustworthy mean if historical archetypes of honesty and great morality are not considered trustworthy? What do the two concepts have in common at all? Trustworthy means he will not screw me over if, say, I were to borrow him money. That simply has nothing to do with "who the person" is but only with "what he is like in his personal relationships". Business relationships are very personal and greatly dependent on one's personality. In fact, the "greater" the person (in those historical, societal senses of the word) I'd actually be biased to trust them less even without any knowledge of their otherwise untrustiness.

steve19 8y ago

It doesn't mean they are bad people. Everyone makes mistakes. You can do business with someone you can't trust, just don't put yourself in a position where your life/business/career/happiness depends on them behaving.

vostok 8y ago
It doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad people, but it's certainly a good indication that they're bad people at least on a personal level. Of course this is assuming that they operated in an environment with the same ethics as my own.
- merinowool 8y ago
  Men are not wired for monogamy. It is like saying you might be bad person because you breathe. In a relationship this is a mutual effort to resist those needs, but failing to do so doesn't make you bad.
  - bpizzi 8y ago
    Actually, cheating involves lying. A spouse is explicitly or at least implicitly expecting the other part no to lie about extra relations. If lying about those extra relations in this context doesn't makes you a bad person, then I don't know what is.
    - PakG1 8y ago
      Fair point. If I knew a couple in an open relationship, I'd be uncomfortable, but I wouldn't make a judgment on their integrity.
    - jiggunjer 8y ago
      Logical fallacy. Doing one bad thing does not make one a "bad person" if such a thing even exists. If the alternative is to break up a family so the cheater can be 'honest' with him-/herself, is a lie and a happy family worse than a broken family? Stop seeing things black and white.

mmsimanga 8y ago

The older I get the more I realise life is complicated. I get the need for us to strive to be the best we can be and to those around us but it ain't easy. Please don't get me wrong, imoral acts should be condemned but often I wonder when I reading wording on headlines whether the person killed 3 innocent people or had an affair.

coatmatter 8y ago
> imoral acts should be condemned What defines immorality and how should that condemnation take place?
- mmsimanga 8y ago
  Ah you have hit the nail on the head. It's not just who defines morality, it is often also circumstances surrounding events that all combine to make life complicated. A man and a woman swear to be faithful to each other, then it is immoral to cheat on each other. The religion you follow also defines what is immoral and what isn't. There are also different ways to intepret religious passages. The reason I said life is complicated is because it is impossible to define immorality for everyone. There is also the issue of the law, what is legal may not be moral. Then they are personal circumstances. Is it immoral for an abused married woman/man to cheat? Everyone will have their own answer based on their beliefs. This is why life is complicated. It isn't as straightforward as media headlines we see.

jiggunjer 8y ago

Don't forget Schrödinger. Is there a correlation with being a physicist?