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>>> Since then she’s chosen to make red lines the prevent rare Brexit (EFTA) because ECJ, medium rare Brexit (Swiss style pile of agreements) because no free mo

>>> Since then she’s chosen to make red lines the prevent rare Brexit (EFTA) because ECJ, medium rare Brexit (Swiss style pile of agreements) because no free moment, medium Brexit (Ukraine style deep and comprehensive free trade area) because ECJ, medium well Brexit (Turkey style EU Customs Union) because independent trade policy, and well done Brexit (WTO) because she ruled out the only solutions to the NI/RoI border that the EU doesn’t consider absurd. I understand what you're saying but it's not what people voted for. She knows that, Corbyn (EU skeptic) knows that. There were no discussions about soft vs hard brexit around the referendum, I was there. Very few parties had your versions of Brexit in their manifesto. All of them lost. It's just not what the people want.

ben_w 8y ago
> There were no discussions about soft vs hard brexit around the referendum, I was there. I was also there. I remember many of the Brexit campaigners explicitly naming some of these options: “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market” - Daniel Hannan, Vote Leave founder “Only a madman would actually leave the Market” - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer “Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing” - Nigel Farage, Ukip leader “The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people” - Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive “Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK” - Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder From my list, the Turkey and Ukraine models were not something I remember prior to the referendum, but “deep and comprehensive free trade area” sounds a lot like the “deep and comprehensive free trade agreement” the government continues to talk about: https://www.ceps.eu/publications/theresa-mays-deep-and-comprehensive-free-trade-agreement https://www.ceps.eu/publications/theresa-mays-deep-and-compr... (Turkey is just there for the sake of completeness). > Very few parties had your versions of Brexit in their manifesto. All of them lost. It's just not what the people want. The election happened after May made her red lines. True, Corbyn also wanted a deal that can’t be done, but given polls still show 50-50 (+/- margin of error), I think basically everyone still wants what they voted for during the referendum. However, my point was more that she had options for various types of Brexit and could’ve made a different choice rather than what the people want from the options they were given. This is a mess.

ben_w 8y ago

> There were no discussions about soft vs hard brexit around the referendum, I was there. I was also there. I remember many of the Brexit campaigners explicitly naming some of these options: “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market” - Daniel Hannan, Vote Leave founder “Only a madman would actually leave the Market” - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer “Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing” - Nigel Farage, Ukip leader “The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people” - Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive “Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK” - Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder From my list, the Turkey and Ukraine models were not something I remember prior to the referendum, but “deep and comprehensive free trade area” sounds a lot like the “deep and comprehensive free trade agreement” the government continues to talk about: https://www.ceps.eu/publications/theresa-mays-deep-and-comprehensive-free-trade-agreement https://www.ceps.eu/publications/theresa-mays-deep-and-compr... (Turkey is just there for the sake of completeness). > Very few parties had your versions of Brexit in their manifesto. All of them lost. It's just not what the people want. The election happened after May made her red lines. True, Corbyn also wanted a deal that can’t be done, but given polls still show 50-50 (+/- margin of error), I think basically everyone still wants what they voted for during the referendum. However, my point was more that she had options for various types of Brexit and could’ve made a different choice rather than what the people want from the options they were given. This is a mess.