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But "insulting" a point gives the impression (at least to me, and apparently to others) of insulting the person behind it, as you cannot insult a point, only a

But "insulting" a point gives the impression (at least to me, and apparently to others) of insulting the person behind it, as you cannot insult a point, only a person. Why in the world is saying that a point is intellectually bankrupt "insulting" a point versus criticizing it? The point is made that, "This numerical circumstance doesn't indicate exponential growth." However, an analogous numerical circumstance happened at a number of points, and was followed by exponential growth. Clearly, there is something else needed for justification. gives the impression (at least to me, and apparently to others) So factually, no one has done anything but criticize a point, and your reaction is all about your feels, by your own admission. If you want to defend the intellectual merits of the point, then actually defend the intellectual merits of the point. This tactic of acting offended, then offering nothing more is wearing thin. I should hope that going forward from 2018, people will generally recognize that kind of activity for what it is.

hutzlibu 8y ago
If you want to be taken seriously, you might get out of that attitude. I am not your original "enemy" like you probably see him, I am someone else who tried to explain to you, that you were acting childish. Only that I worded it differently. Oh an "getting an impression" is not the same as "getting the feeling". But probably wasted words on a self-righteous guy, like you are. Seriously, "insulting a point" ... come on, that is and will remain, laughable. Grownups, can admit, that they went over the line here and there, no big deal. But you make something one out of it. And yes, with the last paragraph, I came down to your level a bit. So I just stop the "conversation" here.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Seriously, "insulting a point" ... come on, that is and will remain, laughable. This is my point, exactly. It is laughable. If someone is going to spout some facts, as if they mean something, but they don't, then why not call it out? 50 year pauses before crossing profound conceptual gulfs aren't that unusual in history. Here's another one: The gap between the discovery of the light's spectrum and the implications of blackbody radiation. Also, what do exponential curves look like at the beginning? For modest exponents, they generally look flat. The point made didn't account for key points for understanding exponential progress. It was intellectually bankrupt. Grownups, can admit, that they went over the line here and there, no big deal. Grownups can admit when they're factually wrong, and they can shake off a few words on the internet that aren't even directed at them personally. Taking the pose of offense while then avoiding the factual and logical issues reveals something else entirely.
  - hutzlibu 8y ago
    You are not getting it. I was never insulted by your words. I was just trying to explain to you, that you were insulting others - and therefore the opposite of being intellectual you claim to be. But if you like, stay where you are. But just one last hint, buy a punching ball or something similar to blow off steam. Your aggression, masked as "intellectualism" is a bit ridiculus.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      You are not getting it. I was never insulted by your words. No one should have been insulted by my words. If someone thinks you made a bad point, and you disagree, you might be a bit frustrated or exasperated. The only way someone having their feelings hurt makes sense when their point is called "intellectually bankrupt," is either if that person is emotionally fragile or if they think the objection might be valid. I was just trying to explain to you, that you were insulting others One can't be ruled by people claiming to take offense. Your aggression, masked as "intellectualism" is a bit ridiculus. This form of aggression which claims offense would be ridiculous, were it not such a pervasive thing in 2018. I'm not going to stand for it. It's really nothing more than cheap emotional blackmail masquerading as morality.
erikpukinskis 8y ago
> Why in the world is saying that a point is intellectually bankrupt "insulting" a point versus criticizing it? Because “intellectually bankrupt” doesn’t mean anything. It’s just strong words for the sake of pushing around people’s emotions. Otherwise “wrong” will suffice. If we’re not arguing in good faith, then “intellectually bankrupt” is fine, and it can be used right alongside any other insult or epithet you’d like to feel the sizzle of.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Because “intellectually bankrupt” doesn’t mean anything. It means baseless. The point has only a semblance of a basis. "Ooooo, 50 years seems like a long gap." If you try to make relevant historical comparisons, no, that's way too little data with way too little relevance. Otherwise “wrong” will suffice. No, you can be wrong, but still have a basis. Just having a semblance of a basis, relying on naive impressions doesn't cut it. That's “intellectually bankrupt.” If we’re not arguing in good faith, then “intellectually bankrupt” is fine Not addressing the point and claiming offense isn't arguing in good faith.
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    Say “baseless” then, if that’s what you mean. Both of the words “intellect” and “bankrupt” have strong personal connotations. I think you want them to mean something different than what they do.

hutzlibu 8y ago

If you want to be taken seriously, you might get out of that attitude. I am not your original "enemy" like you probably see him, I am someone else who tried to explain to you, that you were acting childish. Only that I worded it differently. Oh an "getting an impression" is not the same as "getting the feeling". But probably wasted words on a self-righteous guy, like you are. Seriously, "insulting a point" ... come on, that is and will remain, laughable. Grownups, can admit, that they went over the line here and there, no big deal. But you make something one out of it. And yes, with the last paragraph, I came down to your level a bit. So I just stop the "conversation" here.

stcredzero 8y ago
Seriously, "insulting a point" ... come on, that is and will remain, laughable. This is my point, exactly. It is laughable. If someone is going to spout some facts, as if they mean something, but they don't, then why not call it out? 50 year pauses before crossing profound conceptual gulfs aren't that unusual in history. Here's another one: The gap between the discovery of the light's spectrum and the implications of blackbody radiation. Also, what do exponential curves look like at the beginning? For modest exponents, they generally look flat. The point made didn't account for key points for understanding exponential progress. It was intellectually bankrupt. Grownups, can admit, that they went over the line here and there, no big deal. Grownups can admit when they're factually wrong, and they can shake off a few words on the internet that aren't even directed at them personally. Taking the pose of offense while then avoiding the factual and logical issues reveals something else entirely.
- hutzlibu 8y ago
  You are not getting it. I was never insulted by your words. I was just trying to explain to you, that you were insulting others - and therefore the opposite of being intellectual you claim to be. But if you like, stay where you are. But just one last hint, buy a punching ball or something similar to blow off steam. Your aggression, masked as "intellectualism" is a bit ridiculus.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    You are not getting it. I was never insulted by your words. No one should have been insulted by my words. If someone thinks you made a bad point, and you disagree, you might be a bit frustrated or exasperated. The only way someone having their feelings hurt makes sense when their point is called "intellectually bankrupt," is either if that person is emotionally fragile or if they think the objection might be valid. I was just trying to explain to you, that you were insulting others One can't be ruled by people claiming to take offense. Your aggression, masked as "intellectualism" is a bit ridiculus. This form of aggression which claims offense would be ridiculous, were it not such a pervasive thing in 2018. I'm not going to stand for it. It's really nothing more than cheap emotional blackmail masquerading as morality.

erikpukinskis 8y ago

> Why in the world is saying that a point is intellectually bankrupt "insulting" a point versus criticizing it? Because “intellectually bankrupt” doesn’t mean anything. It’s just strong words for the sake of pushing around people’s emotions. Otherwise “wrong” will suffice. If we’re not arguing in good faith, then “intellectually bankrupt” is fine, and it can be used right alongside any other insult or epithet you’d like to feel the sizzle of.

stcredzero 8y ago
Because “intellectually bankrupt” doesn’t mean anything. It means baseless. The point has only a semblance of a basis. "Ooooo, 50 years seems like a long gap." If you try to make relevant historical comparisons, no, that's way too little data with way too little relevance. Otherwise “wrong” will suffice. No, you can be wrong, but still have a basis. Just having a semblance of a basis, relying on naive impressions doesn't cut it. That's “intellectually bankrupt.” If we’re not arguing in good faith, then “intellectually bankrupt” is fine Not addressing the point and claiming offense isn't arguing in good faith.
- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  Say “baseless” then, if that’s what you mean. Both of the words “intellect” and “bankrupt” have strong personal connotations. I think you want them to mean something different than what they do.