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> misguided citation needed.

hluska 8y ago
"Citation needed" comments are useless. If you disagree, state why. Otherwise, you aren't helping anyone and merely adding confusion about one of the base technologies.
- LyndsySimon 8y ago
  I disagree - it’s merely asking for elaboration on a stated opinion.
  - reitanqild 8y ago
    I'd say it is a very confrontational way of asking for elaboration.
    - Diederich 8y ago
      I've thought about this a bit, and decided that doing 'the Wikipedia thing' ('Citation Needed') was minimally confrontational, in that it's kind of a standard, somewhat 'mechanical' approach. I had no idea that some would consider it 'very confrontational'; that's the exact opposite of my intent. Speaking transparently, when I write 'Citation Needed', it's usually because I do disagree with the statement in question, but that my disagreement is not sufficiently supported. It also means that I'm open to being corrected with additional information.
      - reitanqild 8y ago
        I guess the reason it comes off as rude is because it is so short and - for my lack of a better word - rubberstampy. It is as if some people don't have time to ask politely for sources. I also think it might trigger the "passive agressive"-detector for some people here. (I think that description has been overused a lot though and don't want to classify it as such.) This might not be your intention but I wouldn't be very sad to see those words less often here. And one more thing: using wikipedia as an example for how to behave in society might not be a good idea IMO.
- Diederich 8y ago
  As I noted in another comment, when I reply 'Citation Needed', it's because I weakly disagree with the statement, but that disagreement is insufficiently supported. In many cases, I'll go off and do some independent research at the same time, but mostly I'm requesting that the person provide some additional support for their thought. It also means that I'm open to being wrong in my disagreement. So, in short, I don't state disagreement in these cases because the strength of my opinion is too weak to merit it.
antsar 8y ago
Apparently there is a conflict between using DNSSEC and split-horizon. https://lists.opendnssec.org/pipermail/opendnssec-user/2012-July/002026.html https://lists.opendnssec.org/pipermail/opendnssec-user/2012-...
fulafel 8y ago
It's just counter to the basic internet and DNS design principes and breaks many things in applications working with DNS names and IP addresses. Not to mention the added complexity and twists in troubleshooting when your names are ambiguous. The basic design of DNS is one root and same view for all.

"Citation needed" comments are useless. If you disagree, state why. Otherwise, you aren't helping anyone and merely adding confusion about one of the base technologies.

LyndsySimon 8y ago
I disagree - it’s merely asking for elaboration on a stated opinion.
- reitanqild 8y ago
  I'd say it is a very confrontational way of asking for elaboration.
  - Diederich 8y ago
    I've thought about this a bit, and decided that doing 'the Wikipedia thing' ('Citation Needed') was minimally confrontational, in that it's kind of a standard, somewhat 'mechanical' approach. I had no idea that some would consider it 'very confrontational'; that's the exact opposite of my intent. Speaking transparently, when I write 'Citation Needed', it's usually because I do disagree with the statement in question, but that my disagreement is not sufficiently supported. It also means that I'm open to being corrected with additional information.
    - reitanqild 8y ago
      I guess the reason it comes off as rude is because it is so short and - for my lack of a better word - rubberstampy. It is as if some people don't have time to ask politely for sources. I also think it might trigger the "passive agressive"-detector for some people here. (I think that description has been overused a lot though and don't want to classify it as such.) This might not be your intention but I wouldn't be very sad to see those words less often here. And one more thing: using wikipedia as an example for how to behave in society might not be a good idea IMO.
Diederich 8y ago
As I noted in another comment, when I reply 'Citation Needed', it's because I weakly disagree with the statement, but that disagreement is insufficiently supported. In many cases, I'll go off and do some independent research at the same time, but mostly I'm requesting that the person provide some additional support for their thought. It also means that I'm open to being wrong in my disagreement. So, in short, I don't state disagreement in these cases because the strength of my opinion is too weak to merit it.

antsar 8y ago

Apparently there is a conflict between using DNSSEC and split-horizon. https://lists.opendnssec.org/pipermail/opendnssec-user/2012-July/002026.html https://lists.opendnssec.org/pipermail/opendnssec-user/2012-...

fulafel 8y ago

It's just counter to the basic internet and DNS design principes and breaks many things in applications working with DNS names and IP addresses. Not to mention the added complexity and twists in troubleshooting when your names are ambiguous. The basic design of DNS is one root and same view for all.