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> Why so negative. I like how Europeans/Chinese/Everyone stands behind their companies and expect them to succeed globally. USA on other hand is bent on destroy

by 394549 8y ago

> Why so negative. I like how Europeans/Chinese/Everyone stands behind their companies and expect them to succeed globally. USA on other hand is bent on destroying/defaming their own. Companies aren't national sports teams. You shouldn't "stand behind them" unless they deserve it.

j88439h84 8y ago
Sports teams are companies.
- 394549 8y ago
  > Sports teams are companies. Not the national teams in the Olympics/World Cup, which I think is the more relevant comparison when we're talking about "standing behind a nation's companies." Less relevantly, neither are college teams.
drivingmenuts 8y ago
I would say "earn" rather than deserve (but I live in the US). Once they pass the bar of providing value at a reasonable cost without driving their employees into the ground while simultaneously being ethical, I would say they have earned a small measure of respect.
- dominotw 8y ago
  do you use uber/lyft?
  - drivingmenuts 8y ago
    No. Uber has enough ethical issues that I wrote them off long ago. Both of them went through some foofaraw with the City of Austin (I live there) that, when they cancelled their services, I decided I could live without them. Plus, I have a perfectly workable car and a dislike of being in something that "not my vehicle". It's a boundary thing.
dominotw 8y ago
uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week.
- 394549 8y ago
  >>> Why so negative. I like how Europeans/Chinese/Everyone stands behind their companies and expect them to succeed globally. USA on other hand is bent on destroying/defaming their own. > uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week. I don't. Why do you think I should stand behind them, and overlook their ethical lapses, because I'm an American?
  - dominotw 8y ago
    What are ethical lapses against lyft? I googled it and found something about spying.
    - 394549 8y ago
      > What are ethical lapses against lyft? I googled it and found something about spying. I have an answer for that, but you're dodging the question so I won't provide it yet. Why do you think I should "stand by" American companies like Uber, whose unethical behavior across many different domains is well documented, like you claim the "Europeans/Chinese/Everyone" do with theirs?
      - dominotw 8y ago
        > I have an answer for that, but you're dodging the question so I won't provide it yet. I am not. Your premise for opposition is based on this. > unethical behavior across many different domains is well documented which i don't agree with( or I don't have the complete picture). I use lyft all the time and I have family who are uber drivers. Do you not use uber/lyft?
        394549 8y ago
        I'm trying to get you to unpack your sentiment that Americans should support Uber and Lyft for nationalistic reasons. If you're going to dodge that, we don't really have much to talk about. > which i don't agree with( or I don't have the complete picture). I'm thinking it's the latter. >>>>> uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week. > I use lyft all the time and I have family who are uber drivers. Do you not use uber/lyft? This idea of yours that use or personal utility justifies support of an company is pretty problematic. It's basically the ends justify the means, coupled with a thorough ignorance of and disinterest in the means.

by 394549 8y ago

j88439h84 8y ago

Sports teams are companies.

394549 8y ago
> Sports teams are companies. Not the national teams in the Olympics/World Cup, which I think is the more relevant comparison when we're talking about "standing behind a nation's companies." Less relevantly, neither are college teams.

drivingmenuts 8y ago

I would say "earn" rather than deserve (but I live in the US). Once they pass the bar of providing value at a reasonable cost without driving their employees into the ground while simultaneously being ethical, I would say they have earned a small measure of respect.

dominotw 8y ago
do you use uber/lyft?
- drivingmenuts 8y ago
  No. Uber has enough ethical issues that I wrote them off long ago. Both of them went through some foofaraw with the City of Austin (I live there) that, when they cancelled their services, I decided I could live without them. Plus, I have a perfectly workable car and a dislike of being in something that "not my vehicle". It's a boundary thing.

dominotw 8y ago

uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week.

394549 8y ago
>>> Why so negative. I like how Europeans/Chinese/Everyone stands behind their companies and expect them to succeed globally. USA on other hand is bent on destroying/defaming their own. > uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week. I don't. Why do you think I should stand behind them, and overlook their ethical lapses, because I'm an American?
- dominotw 8y ago
  What are ethical lapses against lyft? I googled it and found something about spying.
  - 394549 8y ago
    > What are ethical lapses against lyft? I googled it and found something about spying. I have an answer for that, but you're dodging the question so I won't provide it yet. Why do you think I should "stand by" American companies like Uber, whose unethical behavior across many different domains is well documented, like you claim the "Europeans/Chinese/Everyone" do with theirs?
    - dominotw 8y ago
      > I have an answer for that, but you're dodging the question so I won't provide it yet. I am not. Your premise for opposition is based on this. > unethical behavior across many different domains is well documented which i don't agree with( or I don't have the complete picture). I use lyft all the time and I have family who are uber drivers. Do you not use uber/lyft?
      - 394549 8y ago
        I'm trying to get you to unpack your sentiment that Americans should support Uber and Lyft for nationalistic reasons. If you're going to dodge that, we don't really have much to talk about. > which i don't agree with( or I don't have the complete picture). I'm thinking it's the latter. >>>>> uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week. > I use lyft all the time and I have family who are uber drivers. Do you not use uber/lyft? This idea of yours that use or personal utility justifies support of an company is pretty problematic. It's basically the ends justify the means, coupled with a thorough ignorance of and disinterest in the means.