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> Agenda > > Spouse > > Connect- listen to each other’s day for 5 minutes each I had to laugh at this. Setting aside only 5-10 minutes a day for your closest c

> Agenda > > Spouse > > Connect- listen to each other’s day for 5 minutes each I had to laugh at this. Setting aside only 5-10 minutes a day for your closest confidant and life-partner? Good luck with that marriage. One of the ironies for me of people who slave away with the hope of scoring the jackpot, is that they often justify it by telling themselves and others what they'll do once they're financially independent, when in reality you can probably do most of those things now already. Want to travel the world? You can travel worldwide for a year for about $10k to $20k. If you have a wife and family, they're alive now. There's no guarantee they'll be alive even tomorrow, or that you'll be. Delayed gratification and sacrificing some of the present for the future are both definitely good and necessary, but should be done within due measure.

fsloth 8y ago
"One of the ironies for me of people who slave away with the hope of scoring the jackpot," There are other reasons as well to work hard. Some people enjoy the prospect of potentially denting the universe a bit. But yes, if financial gratification and financial gratification alone is the goal it's a tad silly.
- tsunamifury 8y ago
  What you're describing is obsession and it can be even more dangerous that just plain old greed. However I find myself saying the same thing sometimes...
  - irl_zebra 8y ago
    In what way is "enjoy[ing] the prospect of potentially denting the universe a bit" obsession? Are you saying that being motivated by things other than finances is obsessive?
    - tsunamifury 8y ago
      No, but the dent in the universe requires obsession. If you think you can be balanced and accomplish this you don't know the source of that quote.
  - fsloth 8y ago
    No, what I'm describing is a deep interest in something. Obsession is the pathological end of this spectrum but 'being driven' in and itself is not a negative thing.
- ErikAugust 8y ago
  Is a “dented universe” an admirable goal? Seems vague, and selfish. I get people want to make some sort of impact while they are here, but let’s also admit that that is driven by the ego.
  - fsloth 8y ago
    I don't think there is anything wrong in being driven by the ego. Being ego driven is not pathological alone and in itself and I think is necessary for achieving most great things. What would 'non-ego driven' achievement look like? Are there any concrete well known examples of such a thing?
  - newen 8y ago
    Yes? Isn't making a dent in the universe what everyone is trying to do? What else is there in life? Just surviving until you die?
    - iamcasen 8y ago
      The purpose of life is to enjoy your time alive in this world. Typically one does this by connecting with other living beings and balancing a life in service of self with a life in service of others. Will the founders of Snapchat be revered by humanity in the future? Highly doubtful. The way to be remembered is to live a life worth remembering after all.
      - newen 8y ago
        >The purpose of life is to enjoy your time alive in this world. You don't get to decide what the purpose of life is. And wanting to leave your mark on the world is just as validation a purpose of life. >The way to be remembered is to live a life worth remembering after all. Yeah that doesn't actually mean anything. There are plenty of people forgotten by time and their ancestors who lived perfectly fulfilling lives with their friends and family. They never got remembered in history books. Not that I'm saying their choices were worse but if you want to be remembered in history books, you don't just sit around making friends and family.
      - 8y ago
- NathanCH 8y ago
  Having the next big startup hardly makes a dent in the world. 1/100th of the energy required to do that could likely save thousands of lives in other mediums of employment or volunteering.
gricardo99 8y ago
>You can travel worldwide for a year for about $10k to $20k. Or take shorter vacations for very little money. I’ve recently discovered the world of “travel hacking”. There are many blogs[1] that outline ways to optimize travel reward points programs and greatly reduce travel costs. 1- http://travelisfree.com http://travelisfree.com
iamcasen 8y ago
Yeah how ridiculous! Loved ones should honestly be our number 1 priority. That work is so demanding of the majority of our free time while we are alive is a travesty. Work used to have meaning when we would hunt, gather, or farm. You did that along side your friends and family. Now we isolate ourselves for 8 to 12 hours a day earning money to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. And for what? Is humanity progressing? Is a claims adjuster contributing?
- gafferongames 8y ago
  So start a company, work hard, and break yourself out of this system.
- golergka 8y ago
  > Loved ones should honestly be our number 1 priority. That work is so demanding of the majority of our free time while we are alive is a travesty. Different people have different priorities and tastes in life. When I tried working 3 day workweek (I could afford a 40% salary hit), I became really bored really fast, and spending so much time with my spouse quickly got me to a divorce. Having people that you love in your life is nice, but I personally don't love that much to spend majority of life with them. I'd rather do something interesting and productive, like work, instead.
segmondy 8y ago
Wow, where can we get this easy disposable $10k - $20k ?

fsloth 8y ago

"One of the ironies for me of people who slave away with the hope of scoring the jackpot," There are other reasons as well to work hard. Some people enjoy the prospect of potentially denting the universe a bit. But yes, if financial gratification and financial gratification alone is the goal it's a tad silly.

tsunamifury 8y ago
What you're describing is obsession and it can be even more dangerous that just plain old greed. However I find myself saying the same thing sometimes...
- irl_zebra 8y ago
  In what way is "enjoy[ing] the prospect of potentially denting the universe a bit" obsession? Are you saying that being motivated by things other than finances is obsessive?
  - tsunamifury 8y ago
    No, but the dent in the universe requires obsession. If you think you can be balanced and accomplish this you don't know the source of that quote.
- fsloth 8y ago
  No, what I'm describing is a deep interest in something. Obsession is the pathological end of this spectrum but 'being driven' in and itself is not a negative thing.
ErikAugust 8y ago
Is a “dented universe” an admirable goal? Seems vague, and selfish. I get people want to make some sort of impact while they are here, but let’s also admit that that is driven by the ego.
- fsloth 8y ago
  I don't think there is anything wrong in being driven by the ego. Being ego driven is not pathological alone and in itself and I think is necessary for achieving most great things. What would 'non-ego driven' achievement look like? Are there any concrete well known examples of such a thing?
- newen 8y ago
  Yes? Isn't making a dent in the universe what everyone is trying to do? What else is there in life? Just surviving until you die?
  - iamcasen 8y ago
    The purpose of life is to enjoy your time alive in this world. Typically one does this by connecting with other living beings and balancing a life in service of self with a life in service of others. Will the founders of Snapchat be revered by humanity in the future? Highly doubtful. The way to be remembered is to live a life worth remembering after all.
    - newen 8y ago
      >The purpose of life is to enjoy your time alive in this world. You don't get to decide what the purpose of life is. And wanting to leave your mark on the world is just as validation a purpose of life. >The way to be remembered is to live a life worth remembering after all. Yeah that doesn't actually mean anything. There are plenty of people forgotten by time and their ancestors who lived perfectly fulfilling lives with their friends and family. They never got remembered in history books. Not that I'm saying their choices were worse but if you want to be remembered in history books, you don't just sit around making friends and family.
    - 8y ago
NathanCH 8y ago
Having the next big startup hardly makes a dent in the world. 1/100th of the energy required to do that could likely save thousands of lives in other mediums of employment or volunteering.

gricardo99 8y ago

>You can travel worldwide for a year for about $10k to $20k. Or take shorter vacations for very little money. I’ve recently discovered the world of “travel hacking”. There are many blogs[1] that outline ways to optimize travel reward points programs and greatly reduce travel costs. 1- http://travelisfree.com http://travelisfree.com

iamcasen 8y ago

Yeah how ridiculous! Loved ones should honestly be our number 1 priority. That work is so demanding of the majority of our free time while we are alive is a travesty. Work used to have meaning when we would hunt, gather, or farm. You did that along side your friends and family. Now we isolate ourselves for 8 to 12 hours a day earning money to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. And for what? Is humanity progressing? Is a claims adjuster contributing?

gafferongames 8y ago
So start a company, work hard, and break yourself out of this system.
golergka 8y ago
> Loved ones should honestly be our number 1 priority. That work is so demanding of the majority of our free time while we are alive is a travesty. Different people have different priorities and tastes in life. When I tried working 3 day workweek (I could afford a 40% salary hit), I became really bored really fast, and spending so much time with my spouse quickly got me to a divorce. Having people that you love in your life is nice, but I personally don't love that much to spend majority of life with them. I'd rather do something interesting and productive, like work, instead.

segmondy 8y ago

Wow, where can we get this easy disposable $10k - $20k ?